Michael Moore attacks Green industry

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Michael Moore attacks Green industry

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/28/climate-dangerous-documentary-planet-of-the-humans-michael-moore-taken-down

Interesting, considering the source.

A new Michael Moore-produced documentary that takes aim at the supposed hypocrisy of the green movement is “dangerous, misleading and destructive” and should be removed from public viewing, according to an assortment of climate scientists and environmental campaigners.

The film, Planet of the Humans, was released on the eve of Earth Day last week by its producer, Michael Moore, the baseball cap-wearing documentarian known for Fahrenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine. Describing itself as a “full-frontal assault on our sacred cows”, the film argues that electric cars and solar energy are unreliable and rely upon fossil fuels to function. It also attacks figures including Al Gore for bolstering corporations that push flawed technologies over real solutions to the climate crisis.

Planet of the Humans has provoked a furious reaction from scientists and campaigners, however, who have called for it be taken down. Films for Action, an online library of videos, temporarily took down the film after describing it as “full of misinformation”, though they later reinstated it, saying they did not want accusations of censorship to give the film “more power and mystique than it deserves”. A free version on YouTube has been viewed more than 3m times.

A letter written by Josh Fox, who made the documentary Gasland, and signed by various scientists and activists, has urged the removal of “shockingly misleading and absurd” film for making false claims about renewable energy. Planet of the Humans “trades in debunked fossil fuel industry talking points” that question the affordability and reliability of solar and wind energy, the letter states, pointing out that these alternatives are now cheaper to run than fossil fuels such as coal.

Michael Mann, a climate scientist and signatory to Fox’s letter, said the film includes “various distortions, half-truths and lies” and that the filmmakers “have done a grave disservice to us and the planet by promoting climate change inactivist tropes and talking points.” The film’s makers did not respond to questions over whether it will be pulled down.

Planet of the Humans has been shown at Moore’s Traverse City film festival, where the producer said it was “perhaps the most urgent film we’ve shown in the 15-year history of our film festival”. Jeff Gibbs, who wrote and directed the film, has suggested that unrestrained economic and population growth should be the target of environmentalists’ efforts rather than technological fixes.

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Climate activist Bill McKibben, one of the targets for the film for allegedly being influenced by corporate money and for supporting the burning of biomass such as wood chips for energy, said the characterisations are untrue. McKibben has previously changed his views on biomass energy, which he now sees as being detrimental to climate action, and claims he has “never taken a penny in pay” from any environmental group.

“I am used to ceaseless harassment and attack from the fossil fuel industry, and I’ve done my best to ignore a lifetime of death threats from rightwing extremists,” McKibben said. “It does hurt more to be attacked by others who think of themselves as environmentalists.”

Renewable energy has long been portrayed as expensive and unreliably intermittent by oil and gas companies and their lobby groups, which have spent several decades questioning the veracity of climate science and undermining efforts to radically reduce planet-heating emissions.

In fact, the technology used for wind and solar energy has improved markedly in recent years, while the costs have plummeted. While electric cars often require fossil fuel-generated energy to produce them and provide the electricity to fuel them, research has shown they still emit less greenhouse gas and air pollutants over their lifetime than a standard petrol or diesel car.

Generating all power from renewables will take significant upgrades of grid infrastructure and storage but several researchers have declared the goal feasible, most likely with carbon-capture technology for remaining fossil fuel plants. Scientists say the world must reach net zero emissions by 2050 to head off disastrous global heating, which would likely spur worsening storms, heatwaves, sea level rise and societal unrest.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQZfFy9cFs

Link to an 8 minute video that includes clips from the movie.

Wow, you know the dog of lefty hypocrisy has finally barked loud enough when Mike Moore brandishes the newspaper of the master.

Sounds like bs

Originally posted by Blakemore
Sounds like bs

In terms of what ?

Originally posted by Blakemore
Sounds like bs

Well, it is Michael Moore.

Well I can't determine his basis. I disregard the whole thing.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Well I can't determine his basis. I disregard the whole thing.

You haven't heard of Michael Moore?

He did Bowling for Columbine and Super Size Me. Was a Democratic darling because a lot of the sacred cows he went after were on the right, like gun control.

He also predicted Trumps 2016 election:
YouTube video

Originally posted by cdtm
You haven't heard of Michael Moore?

He did Bowling for Columbine and Super Size Me. Was a Democratic darling because a lot of the sacred cows he went after were on the right, like gun control.

He also predicted Trumps 2016 election:
YouTube video

I know who Michael Moore is, personally, I think sicko was his best film ... Anyway, he's mostly hit and miss a lot of the time. He's a dead duck.

"the film argues that electric cars and solar energy are unreliable and rely upon fossil fuels to function. It also attacks figures including Al Gore for bolstering corporations that push flawed technologies over real solutions to the climate crisis."

That just sounds like facts everyone agrees upon, the problem is just that climate change deniers are going to take that to mean that we shouldn't be doing something, when really we need to get more renewable and more clean energy to ensure that electric cars are more green, to make sure that solar is in places where it is most effective, to ensure that Al Gore doesn't make too much money with bullshit....

Originally posted by cdtm
You haven't heard of Michael Moore?

He did Bowling for Columbine and Super Size Me. Was a Democratic darling because a lot of the sacred cows he went after were on the right, like gun control.

He also predicted Trumps 2016 election:
YouTube video

He didn't do "Super Size Me", that's a different guy. He's mostly known for Roger and Me, Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11 and Sicko.

The only legitimate argument against renewable energy is that its energy density simply isn't high enough and will never be high enough. Fossil fuels were about 4 to 5 times more energy dense than renewables 10 years ago and the figures have barely budged since then despite massive investment. Literally every fossil fuel is more energy dense than every type of renewable.

Nuclear is simply the only option.

I don't think he's tearing down green, so much as attacking the smoke and mirrors companies use to prove their green bona fide's to consumers and investors, while really not doing that much for the environment.

Yeah I'd watch that.

Moore doesn't come off to me as someone who punches down, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that some of his arguments have merit. I don't think anyone doubts that corporations and that kind of schilling are really putting the future of the world in front of their profits.

Still, what I wonder is if this is actually about the individuals and the organizations that are the problems, or the science itself? In which case, I'd lean towards the scientist knowing way more than this guy

Moore tend to annoy me, but I'll watch this one.

Originally posted by Artol
He didn't do "Super Size Me", that's a different guy. He's mostly known for Roger and Me, Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11 and Sicko.
he also did "capilism, a love story" which was shit!

Originally posted by Blakemore
he also did "capilism, a love story" which was shit!

Haven't seen it. Is he pro or anti capitalistic ?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Haven't seen it. Is he pro or anti capitalistic ?
he tries to make out that capilism is a system of exploitation. Then does interviews with bernie sanders and people who're suffering to justify his statement. I disagree. I think it's right to capitalize.

Originally posted by Blakemore
he tries to make out that capilism is a system of exploitation. Then does interviews with bernie sanders and people who're suffering to justify his statement. I disagree. I think it's right to capitalize.

Oh yeah that idea is wretched poison and based off of the labor theory of value, as opposed to the subjective theory of labor.

Labor theory of value = pay guy who cut down tree with a butter knife, because he worked really hard.

Subjective theory of value= pay guy with chainsaw, because he can cut down a tree quickly and safely.

Most people who follow the exploitation line also think there's a finite amount of value/money in the world, which is just factually incorrect.

Also, alot of American billionaires are crooked, but only because they're on welfare. By welfare I mean billion dollar bail outs.
If a company can't provide value to the customers, it should shut down.

To me Moore's opinion on capitalism is commie as hell, so I would be pleasantly surprised if Moore used a bunch of typically conservative talking points to base green energy.

At the same time, if that is the case that he disparages the current state of green energy it could mean he just likes to wear his anti establishment badge, so he can feel like a punko guerilla film maker

Either way he should lose weight if he's gonna be in front of the camera so much.

Originally posted by Blakemore
he tries to make out that capilism is a system of exploitation. Then does interviews with bernie sanders and people who're suffering to justify his statement. I disagree. I think it's right to capitalize.

It's hard to take anti-capitalism messages seriously from a guy who made enough money complaining about capitalism to form his own Scrooge McDuck money pit.