Wanda has way better reality warping feats than Thanos using the Reality Stone. Not to mention a lot of the effects he created were temporary and only lasted a few minutes. Plus she also has telepathy, TK strong enough to restrain him and potentially stop him from even being able to close his fist to use the Stone, and arguably even has better speed/reflex feats after being shown quick enough to catch her son by the arm while he was zipping around at super speed.
It's Wanda's fight to lose IMO.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Not the same way though, Thanos tried to fight her physically there. Here he won't. So not the same. Unless you meant the outcome.
I meant that she could envelop him in an energy wave that immobilizes him like she did before, and the gauntlet won't help because as we've seen multiple times, he has to clench his hand, gestures, etc..., do something to show he's using the gauntlet. If she keeps him still, he won't be able to use the glove.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Wanda has way better reality warping feats than Thanos using the Reality Stone. Not to mention a lot of the effects he created were temporary and only lasted a few minutes. Plus she also has telepathy, TK strong enough to restrain him and potentially stop him from even being able to close his fist to use the Stone, and arguably even has better speed/reflex feats after being shown quick enough to catch her son by the arm while he was zipping around at super speed.It's Wanda's fight to lose IMO.
Originally posted by KingD19
I meant that she could envelop him in an energy wave that immobilizes him like she did before, and the gauntlet won't help because as we've seen multiple times, he has to clench his hand, gestures, etc..., do something to show he's using the gauntlet. If she keeps him still, he won't be able to use the glove.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
They were temporary because he wanted them to be. You know that right?
As he did say "Reality can be whatever I want it to be". to gamora and friends as he manipulted that entire area in Knowhere including the collector.
While I agree Wanda has more reality warping feats, Thanos performed his with absolutely ease and in combact, skillfully against Strange,Starlord , mantis. I believe he can replicate Wanda's Reality Warps. He warped Titan pretty easily.
You're probably right about the Reflex thing. Reality gem is OP, Malekeith must be very dumb.
So, it was his intent to allow Drax and Mantis to reform even though there was no benefit for him to do so at all? Even though he was willing to kill people like Loki or even Gamora herself to achieve his goals?
And he appears to have created illusions on Titan and Knowhere. If he could actually restore Titan, why wouldn't he? If he was as powerful with the Reality Stone as you claim, he could have easily restored it and then taken control of it to prevent history from repeating itself.
Wanda warped and controlled an entire town filled with thousands of people over an extended period without even knowing what she was doing, then expanded the warp's borders when she needed to (and even froze everyone inside the warp when she did it), altered and manipulated its inhabitants (multiple times, depending on which sitcom era she was in) to do what she wanted and actually created multiple superpowered beings (Tommy, Billy, a version of Vision). You are free to disagree, but I personally don't see Thanos replicating what she did based on his handful of showings.
I will walk back what I said previously. Maybe Thanos did temporarily actually alter Knowhere and Titan and it wasn't just an illusion (even though I still personally doubt it), it's still not on the level of what Wanda has displayed if you consider everything I listed in my last post. IMO, Thanos would need the Mind Stone, Reality Stone and Time Stone to do what she's done.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I will walk back what I said previously. Maybe Thanos did temporarily actually alter Knowhere and Titan and it wasn't just an illusion (even though I still personally doubt it), it's still not on the level of what Wanda has displayed if you consider everything I listed in my last post. IMO, Thanos would need the Mind Stone, Reality Stone and Time Stone to do what she's done.
I firmly believe Knowhere was an Illusion. And I believe Titan was as well for the same reasons as Knowhere. Because people and things still existed behind the veil of what he allowed you to see. It was like he just pulled back a curtain and showed the truth once the effects wore off. My assumption is that you can genuinely alter reality, but not on a grand scale without a similar sacrifice to the snap. If you want it past a certain size, it's just gonna look pretty but not function unless you do something extra. Because he did genuinely alter Drax and Mantis, but you can't compare 2 human sized beings to a Celestial or a planet.
Originally posted by KingD19
I firmly believe Knowhere was an Illusion. And I believe Titan was as well for the same reasons as Knowhere. Because people and things still existed behind the veil of what he allowed you to see. It was like he just pulled back a curtain and showed the truth once the effects wore off. My assumption is that you can genuinely alter reality, but not on a grand scale without a similar sacrifice to the snap. If you want it past a certain size, it's just gonna look pretty but not function unless you do something extra. Because he did genuinely alter Drax and Mantis, but you can't compare 2 human sized beings to a Celestial or a planet.
And if we assume the Titan warp was real, and that Thanos simply temporarily altered the scenery to show Dr Strange how it was in the past, then it probably didn't cover the whole planet. Wouldn't make sense making changes to areas Strange can't see if the entire point was to show Strange something.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And if we assume the Titan warp was real, and that Thanos simply temporarily altered the scenery to show Dr Strange how it was in the past, then it probably didn't cover the whole planet. Wouldn't make sense making changes to areas Strange can't see if the entire point was to show Strange something.
Exactly. Nor would it make sense to not bring all of Titan back and show them how their ways were flawed and that he was right the entire time.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, it was his intent to allow Drax and Mantis to reform even though there was no benefit for him to do so at all? Even though he was willing to kill people like Loki or even Gamora herself to achieve his goals?And he appears to have created illusions on Titan and Knowhere. If he could actually restore Titan, why wouldn't he? If he was as powerful with the Reality Stone as you claim, he could have easily restored it and then taken control of it to prevent history from repeating itself.
Wanda warped and controlled an entire town filled with thousands of people over an extended period without even knowing what she was doing, then expanded the warp's borders when she needed to (and even froze everyone inside the warp when she did it), altered and manipulated its inhabitants (multiple times, depending on which sitcom era she was in) to do what she wanted and actually created multiple superpowered beings (Tommy, Billy, a version of Vision). You are free to disagree, but I personally don't see Thanos replicating what she did based on his handful of showings.
Well in the movies he chose not to kill a lot of people, Spiderman , Drax(in Titan) , Strange, every single person even Thor ... He killed gamora because it was absolutely necessary, Loki (dunno) probably because he was annoying or to prove a point.
With the entire Infinity stones he could have easily restored Titan as well but he didn't. He clearly had one single goal.
Maybe not mind control, But I think Thanos can accomplish the others , he created collector and warped superpowered beings in Drax and Mantis.
His showings might not be much but he warped reality easily and didn't seem to put any effort into it. His upper limits with the Reality stone can only be assumed , he wasn't close to it in Infinity War.
Freezing people(not time) shouldn't be difficult for a Reality warper me thinks.
Originally posted by KingD19
I firmly believe Knowhere was an Illusion. And I believe Titan was as well for the same reasons as Knowhere. Because people and things still existed behind the veil of what he allowed you to see. It was like he just pulled back a curtain and showed the truth once the effects wore off. My assumption is that you can genuinely alter reality, but not on a grand scale without a similar sacrifice to the snap. If you want it past a certain size, it's just gonna look pretty but not function unless you do something extra. Because he did genuinely alter Drax and Mantis, but you can't compare 2 human sized beings to a Celestial or a planet.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Well in the movies he chose not to kill a lot of people, Spiderman , Drax(in Titan) , Strange, every single person even Thor ... He killed gamora because it was absolutely necessary, Loki (dunno) probably because he was annoying or to prove a point.
There's a difference between the Titan battle and Knowhere. He actually reduced those two to a state where they would have been dead if the change had been permanent. So, he'd essentially have had to intentionally make it so they'd revive and reform to fit within your argument, which seems incredibly stupid and pointless on his part. He never struck a killing blow against any of them on Titan except possibly Tony, who might have died if not for using his suit to treat the wound.
And he literally blew up the ship Thor was in with the Power Stone. It's a testament to Thor's durability that he survived an explosion powered by an Infinity Stone.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
With the entire Infinity stones he could have easily restored Titan as well but he didn't. He clearly had one single goal.
Or he could have been too weak after the toll the Snap took on him to do so, especially if he was planning to remain strong enough to eventually destroy them to prevent anyone else from undoing his work.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Maybe not mind control, But I think Thanos can accomplish the others , he created collector and warped superpowered beings in Drax and Mantis.
His showings might not be much but he warped reality easily and didn't seem to put any effort into it. His upper limits with the Reality stone can only be assumed , he wasn't close to it in Infinity War.
Freezing people(not time) shouldn't be difficult for a Reality warper me thinks.
Again, that's operating under the assumption that what he did there was even real regarding the larger effects. I mean if it was so casual and potentially permanent if left as it were, why let Titan revert back to the destroyed state at all? Why revert all of Knowhere back and not just re-emerge after Gamora killed the fake him? What is the point of doing any of that? It makes no rational sense to me. Unless we assume that Thanos had extremely poor judgment in how he made use of the Reality Stone.
We don't need to assume with Wanda though. She has onscreen feats of doing all those things I listed. And she didn't just freeze people. Everything froze, including monitors, decorations that were blowing in the wind etc. which implies she froze time inside the hex before expanding it. She also seemingly rewound time during the one episode where the beekeeper appeared in the street.
So, I stick by my initial assessment. Going by what Wanda's been shown capable of and what Thanos using the Reality Stone has been capable of onscreen, Wanda should beat him IMO. It's a character with telepathy, telekinesis, reality warping and better speed and reflex feats versus a character with just reality warping which he used badly, assuming all of the feats were legit.