Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I will walk back what I said previously. Maybe Thanos did temporarily actually alter Knowhere and Titan and it wasn't just an illusion (even though I still personally doubt it), it's still not on the level of what Wanda has displayed if you consider everything I listed in my last post. IMO, Thanos would need the Mind Stone, Reality Stone and Time Stone to do what she's done.
Also do you think her rewinding time affected the entire planet or just the town that she warped?
Originally posted by 9jaboy
I didn't say Thanos can replicate every single thing Wanda did like the mind control, I also didn't say that he wins... I know Wanda is more Powerful.Also do you think her rewinding time affected the entire planet or just the town that she warped?
Going by what was shown onscreen, it was just inside the Hex (which is still impressive considering it covers an entire town), as the people outside tried fleeing from it when the Hex started expanding. I wonder how far she can actually expand it though. Monica and I think Hayward speculated that she could increase it to a much larger area, but that's just their opinion, so it doesn't count for much IMO.
Wanda is actually almost too powerful now IMO. Unless the MCU as a whole gets a power amp (which is certainly possible and I'm sure a lot of fans would love) or they find a way to gimp her power level down during the finale of the show (or during the next Dr Strange film), it's going to be hard to write good stories around her. It's the same reason why characters like the Flash often have so much PIS in their stories. Because without it very few opponents would be able to stand any real chance against them.
Originally posted by carver9
She creates 3 Thanos and they stomps the real Thanos to death.
This actually reminded me of a thought I had before. There are a couple of MCU characters who are disproportionately durable relative to their damage output. Like if you had three Drax's beating up a fourth the fourth one would probably just be laughing while getting kicked in the face.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This actually reminded me of a thought I had before. There are a couple of MCU characters who are disproportionately durable relative to their damage output. Like if you had three Drax's beating up a fourth the fourth one would probably just be laughing while getting kicked in the face.
They nerfed Drax really hard. And ruined a lot of his story. Bautista saved him as a character but still. Well I should say his strength and other stats were nerfed. He's decently tough even without ever having the power stone.
Originally posted by KingD19
They nerfed Drax really hard. And ruined a lot of his story. Bautista saved him as a character but still. Well I should say his strength and other stats were nerfed. He's decently tough even without ever having the power stone.
Yeah, he is almost exclusively used for comic relief and proved next to useless against Thanos and even Ronan. And that's pretty much what I mean. He's extremely durable relative to his other nerfed stats to the point where I sincerely doubt someone with equal strength to him would be able to come close to KO'ing him with purely H2H attacks. I mean his physical strength isn't that weak compared to the more mid-level MCU characters (he appears to be quite a bit stronger than Gamora, being able to casually pin her with one hand). But compared to the stronger MCU characters and his comic self, he's severely nerfed in that regard.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, he is almost exclusively used for comic relief and proved next to useless against Thanos and even Ronan. And that's pretty much what I mean. He's extremely durable relative to his other nerfed stats to the point where I sincerely doubt someone with equal strength to him would be able to come close to KO'ing him with purely H2H attacks. I mean his physical strength isn't that weak compared to the more mid-level MCU characters (he appears to be quite a bit stronger than Gamora, being able to casually pin her with one hand). But compared to the stronger MCU characters and his comic self, he's severely nerfed in that regard.
Against Ronan I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was sloshed drunk, which was true. But Ronan still crumpled him into a container then tossed him one-handed into a vat of goop. But scaling to his other movies, that just makes Ronan insanely impressive in the strength department.
My issue is that yes, technically he's stronger than Gamora, but we see more strength feats from her. At least she's got the ship cannon scene. Drax does almost nothing strengthwise after the first GotG. He tears off Korath's head circuity. Pins Gamora. Rips that prison droid apart. Etc... But a guy as tough as him is muuuuch weaker than Spidey for example, when in comics, even normal Drax would outmuscle the webhead any day.
I genuinely wish the MCU could have found a way to balance good character building and storytelling combined with giving characters a comic accurate representation. Hulk has been overwhelming disappointing for example. Rarely used, and when he does show up, he's overshadowed every single time or it's made clear he's obviously not the "STRONGEST THERE IS!!"
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Also do you think her rewinding time affected the entire planet or just the town that she warped?
Sorry, misread this in an earlier post and thought you were talking about the time stop. Regarding the instance of rewinding, I still think it was only inside the Hex. She basically pressed the rewind button on the episode she was creating. It almost seems like the Hex exists within its own dimensional bubble.
Originally posted by KingD19
Against Ronan I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was sloshed drunk, which was true. But Ronan still crumpled him into a container then tossed him one-handed into a vat of goop. But scaling to his other movies, that just makes Ronan insanely impressive in the strength department.My issue is that yes, technically he's stronger than Gamora, but we see more strength feats from her. At least she's got the ship cannon scene. Drax does almost nothing strengthwise after the first GotG. He tears off Korath's head circuity. Pins Gamora. Rips that prison droid apart. Etc... But a guy as tough as him is muuuuch weaker than Spidey for example, when in comics, even normal Drax would outmuscle the webhead any day.
I genuinely wish the MCU could have found a way to balance good character building and storytelling combined with giving characters a comic accurate representation. Hulk has been overwhelming disappointing for example. Rarely used, and when he does show up, he's overshadowed every single time or it's made clear he's obviously not the "STRONGEST THERE IS!!"
Yeah, you could argue that Drax's coordination and skill was affeced, but his stats would have remained the same, and Ronan beat the shit out of him while tanking his blows in return.
And the Hulk has been handled terribly for the most part. He was fairly decent in his solo film and the first Avengers movie for the most part, but kinda shit in everything else.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, you could argue that Drax's coordination and skill was affeced, but his stats would have remained the same, and Ronan beat the shit out of him while tanking his blows in return.And the Hulk has been handled terribly for the most part. He was fairly decent in his solo film and the first Avengers movie for the most part, but kinda shit in everything else.
True. Ronan didn't even seem annoyed(more than he normally was anyway). It was like he didn't even care that Drax was slamming him with haymakers.
Hulk's issue is that his licensing rights are so screwed up and he has so many rules on him that he doesn't get a chance to do anything. Like, I don't think he's allowed a solo movie anymore. And there's a bunch more behind the scenes stuff that basically make a blanket statement that "Hulk is there to be big and green and sometimes smash things...that's it".
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Sorry, misread this in an earlier post and thought you were talking about the time stop. Regarding the instance of rewinding, I still think it was only inside the Hex. She basically pressed the rewind button on the episode she was creating. It almost seems like the Hex exists within its own dimensional bubble.
So it's not like she can affect time in general, like say go back to the time before Thanos killed Vision.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
So it's not like she can affect time in general, like say go back to the time before Thanos killed Vision.
I honestly have no idea. I'm mostly just speculating based on what's shown in the episodes. But if I had to guess I would say that currently, no, I don't think she can. Theoretically, she might have the power to do something along those lines. But even if she does possibly have the potential, she likely lacks the skill and experience to do so. The initial casting of the Hex on the town and recreating Vision seems to have been done more on instinct than anything else. It's only after everything was in place that she started to manipulate things more consciously. I mean she literally just found out she was using chaos magic in the last episode. It's going to be really interesting to see how she ties into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You would think Wanda got her powers not just from the Time Stone, but from the Reality Stone and Time Stone too.But I guess it has been confirmed
Spoiler:
she was already a witch before the Mine stone gave her powers
I always felts like it would have been more apt had she gotten her powers from the reality stone. The color of her powers would be correct (red) and the reality warping would make sense.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I always felts like it would have been more apt had she gotten her powers from the reality stone. The color of her powers would be correct (red) and the reality warping would make sense.
Yeah, but seems the Mind Stone was just a catalyst in this case to awaken and amplify Wanda's natural magical abilities.
Not that the other colours make any real sense anyway. I mean Quickilver got super speed and his colour was blue, which would have made more sense if it was the Space Stone (seeing as that's its colour and it can seemingly control momentum, based on some of Thanos' feats with it). And Captain Marvel got flight, super stats and energy blasts from the Space Stone and her aura colour is yellow.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You would think Wanda got her powers not just from the Time Stone, but from the Reality Stone and Time Stone too.But I guess it has been confirmed
Spoiler:
she was already a witch before the Mine stone gave her powers