Originally posted by Diesldude
yup like Odin inherited the Odin force, Thor inherited it and calls it the Thor force. Where was Odin when Thor became King?
At this point in time, Odin may actually be more powerful than All Father Thor. I say may be because before Odin plucked out his eye he was as powerful as the previous Sky Fathers of Asgard who rivaled Zeus of Olympus. Thor is different though. Thor is the son of either Gaea, or the Phoenix, which automatically grants him more power than the average Asgardian including Odin. At base levels, Thor would have been far more powerful than Odin was before Odin became the ruler of Asgard.
Odin later plucks out his eye which gave him more power than the average Asgardian ruler, but Thor being who he is may actually be as powerful as Odin was when he ruled without having to pluck out his own eye like Odin did, as he was never average himself. Thor’s past showings against Sky Father level threats supports this idea.
In the future, it was stated that Thor becomes the most powerful Sky Father in history, but note that he too is missing an eye like his father before him.
Old King Thor battled Galactus to a near stalemate until Galactus got the advantage. Thor then sought the power of All Black the Necro Sword turning his defeat into victory. That was a direct comparison of how well All Father Thor would do against what appeared to be a hungry Galactus prior to resorting to seeking out All Black.
I can not be 100% certain that Thor as of this moment is as powerful as Odin, but I’m betting that he is in the general ballpark due to his unique nature in direct comparison to the average Asgardian.
So, if we were trying to get a hard estimate of how powerful the writer believed that All Father Thor would become if he were to be imbued with the Power Cosmic, we’d get a being capable of at the very least, resisting universal plus forces.
The Black Winter destroyed entire universes according to on panel evidence, and until it met Thor, nothing was able to stop it. I mentioned that Thor at the very least was able to resist universal plus forces, because that is what he did when directly assaulted by the Black Winter’s attacks upon him. Defeating the Black Winter was technically a shared feat, as he used Galactus’ beaten and half dead body to seal the deal. That alone shows us how much power Galactus had within him.
Make no mistake, according to writer’s intent, Galactus was heavily amplified beyond anything that he recalled, and was at his 2nd most powerful level in history to date. If he had fought Odin, the Inbetweener, Scrier, or any of the myriad beings that gave him a decent fight in the past while being amplified to that degree, he would have logically been able to wipe the floor with them.
Doomsday isn’t on this level, this same Doomsday was flash fried to the bone by Imperiex’s blast. I was also under the impression that Hunter Prey wasn’t canon? Can anyone clarify, because Squall claimed that it wasn’t.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's the way it always has been.
You may be correct. Let’s see how things go. Odin is about to reappear in the upcoming Thor issues from what was last seen. But according to what was stated on -Abel, it is now the Thor Force without Odin giving up his power to amplify Thor. In the past neither Balder, or Thor was truly the ruler of Asgard. Thor is now officially the ruler. But again let’s see how things go.
Originally posted by Stoic
Squall claimed that Darkseid’s defeat at the hands of Doomsday wasn’t canon. Not sure why it’s so difficult to edit these days?
Ah. I think you may have misunderstood - he's saying it's not canon to ' 'true' Darkseid, as it was just an avatar.
Still canon in that it happened, just that DD fought and defeated an avatar of DS.
As for the PC, Galactus doesn't suddenly go around warping DNA etc - we see how he fights, and it's with energy blasts.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah. I think you may have misunderstood - he's saying it's not canon to ' 'true' Darkseid, as it was just an avatar.Still canon in that it happened, just that DD fought and defeated an avatar of DS.
As for the PC, Galactus doesn't suddenly go around warping DNA etc - we see how he fights, and it's with energy blasts.
I'll seriously debate anyone of the topic (even Carv). Just don't troll me Carv.
I say DD wins. This is because he has the strength to damage Galactus, the durability to withstand a blast without dying immediately, the healing factor to heal from damage, and the ability to evolve higher resistances against attacks.
The only way to beat DD is through bfr or to one shot him. Failure to do either will result in the fight becoming harder with no progress made.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah. I think you may have misunderstood - he's saying it's not canon to ' 'true' Darkseid, as it was just an avatar.Still canon in that it happened, just that DD fought and defeated an avatar of DS.
As for the PC, Galactus doesn't suddenly go around warping DNA etc - we see how he fights, and it's with energy blasts.
No, he uses punches, and he has even used tech to integrate organic beings into his World Ship. Galactus doesn't have a set method to the way he fights as he's all over the place. The Surfer argument will not work here.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'll seriously debate anyone of the topic (even Carv). Just don't troll me Carv.
I say DD wins. This is because he has the strength to damage Galactus, the durability to withstand a blast without dying immediately, the healing factor to heal from damage, and the ability to evolve higher resistances against attacks.The only way to beat DD is through bfr or to one shot him. Failure to do either will result in the fight becoming harder with no progress made.
...........if imperiex could so can Galactus.
Originally posted by Stoic
No, he uses punches, and he has even used tech to integrate organic beings into his World Ship. Galactus doesn't have a set method to the way he fights as he's all over the place. The Surfer argument will not work here.
Well we have Carver's scans to show us how THIS amped Galactus fights.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well, yeah. It was the real DS of that time, but since then it has been retconned as just an avatar.
DS said
"Now reconstituted from my lesser forms, all my past aspects have become one. My true form..."
I interpreted that as DS saying, there was a DS at one point, and some aspects. They are all now merged into one new being which he considered now his true form
It doesn't mean the one that fought HP wasn't the real DS.