that sword would very likely kill the phantom stranger, or at the least do him some serious harm. if you are magical, or use magic against it, that sword can f you up. badly. it effortlessly overcame cyttorak's spell and he is at least skyfather level, presumably. more impressive by far that sword took out archenemy and the source of its power. i'd take magik and that sword against nearly anyone who uses magic. the hell lords certainly want no part of her, and beings like mephisto and dormammu have some pretty impressive feats in their day. even outside limbo that sword will wipe out magic.
Originally posted by leonidas
that sword would very likely kill the phantom stranger, or at the least do him some serious harm. if you are magical, or use magic against it, that sword can f you up. badly. it effortlessly overcame cyttorak's spell and he is at least skyfather level, presumably. more impressive by far that sword took out archenemy and the source of its power. i'd take magik and that sword against nearly anyone who uses magic. the hell lords certainly want no part of her, and beings like mephisto and dormammu have some pretty impressive feats in their day. even outside limbo that sword will wipe out magic.
Zauriels sword didn't just kill the PS, it erased him from existence. It was backed fully by the Presence with Zauriel later being the PS' guardian angel.
ok.... so he was warned by heaven, he ignored it, and was punished by the presence, who was essentially acting through zauriel's sword. but earlier in the series--even a couple issues before that--we saw zauriel without the sword. so why would we assume this would be a presence-backed zauriel? 😕
what proof is there that the above is standard zauriel? sure, i'll admit that zauriel backed by god could beat her. 😂 but i'd say zauriel backed by god would kill perpetua, so....not much of a shock. but again, i have my doubts that is typical zauriel, especially since he was very different just an issue or 2 before that.
if amanda hadn't killed the archenemy, it was going to destroy limbo and for the first time combine all the splinter realms and, according to the book, become a being of 'absolute power', powerful enough to wipe out all of creation.
again, the sword is deadly against all magic. god? lol probably not though....
Originally posted by leonidas
ok.... so he was warned by heaven, he ignored it, and was punished by the presence, who was essentially acting through zauriel's sword. but earlier in the series--even a couple issues before that--we saw zauriel without the sword. so why would we assume this would be a presence-backed zauriel? 😕what proof is there that the above is standard zauriel? sure, i'll admit that zauriel backed by god could beat her. 😂 but i'd say zauriel backed by god would kill perpetua, so....not much of a shock. but again, i have my doubts that is typical zauriel, especially since he was very different just an issue or 2 before that.
if amanda hadn't killed the archenemy, it was going to destroy limbo and for the first time combine all the splinter realms and, according to the book, become a being of 'absolute power', powerful enough to wipe out all of creation.
again, the sword is deadly against all magic. god? lol probably not though....
Well it is like I said - against the one that erased the PS, it would lose.
Got the context of her effortlessly overcoming Cyttorak's spell, as we're on the subject of context?
if you mean was she in limbo when she freed then yes, she was. i was thinking of another feat of hers though, dealing with cyttorak, but i can't find it and it's annoying me. i'll keep digging to see of i can come up with it.
anyway, like i said, if it's magik vs presence, then yeah, i like his odds, but that seems like special circumstance. i'd take magik against any non-presence zauriel and would love to see what happened if she stabbed him before he tried erasing her. even outside limbo her sword will kill or gravely injure any magical being.
Originally posted by leonidas
if you mean was she in limbo when she freed then yes, she was. i was thinking of another feat of hers though, dealing with cyttorak, but i can't find it and it's annoying me. i'll keep digging to see of i can come up with it.anyway, like i said, if it's magik vs presence, then yeah, i like his odds, but that seems like special circumstance. i'd take magik against any non-presence zauriel and would love to see what happened if she stabbed him before he tried erasing her. even outside limbo her sword will kill or gravely injure any magical being.
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There were no special circumstances. New 52 Zauriel is a different beast from the one you knew.
that's just it though--i've seen the 52 zauriel--he appeared a few times in that series--but he was only shown that one time to be that powerful. in fact in the earlier meeting, ps seemed to be more powerful than zauriel--until he broke the rules and returned. i'm not at all sure that's his standard portrayal, unless you have some other appearances to suggest this is normal and not like, say, the spectre backed by the presence. /shrug
actually it just asks if the flaming sword would beat the soul sword, and the above example, with the sword backed by the presence's power would do so, but that is literally the ONLY time his sword showed that level of power, so, in general, the answer to the thread imo is no, the soul sword would win this more often than not. /shrug