Morg in both. Juggernaut has been hurt by Nightcrawler using a flaming chandelier, Shatterstar's swords, two punches from Prof. Hulk floored him, etc...
That Godblast showing (from a weakened Thor btw) Juggernaut had is a one off, super high. Everything else has been a series of less than stellar showings.
He really does. His highs are great, but his average places him in the Low to Mid Herald tier. Going back to his highs, he has the durability to resist Mid to High Trans attacks, but from a purely historical standpoint, he rarely performs on those high levels. Morg on the other hand has a better track record, as I find it difficult to imagine Cain doing well against Thanos.
@stoic
But that's the thing. He really doesn't have great highs. He has ONE good high, against Thor's Godblast, but even then there's context. Keep in mind Thor was in a weakened state that issue because Loki was attacking him spiritually.
@CosmicComet
The reason why writers treat him like a X-Men/Spiderman villain is because he IS a X-Men/Spiderman villain.
Originally posted by zopzop
@stoic
But that's the thing. He really doesn't have great highs. He has ONE good high, against Thor's Godblast, but even then there's context. Keep in mind Thor was in a weakened state that issue because Loki was attacking him spiritually.@CosmicComet
The reason why writers treat him like a X-Men/Spiderman villain is because he IS a X-Men/Spiderman villain.
Not sure if I remember correctly but didn't Cain have a good showing against Galactus? He also has good feats during the 7th and 8th day arc. He has highs, but again he averages at around low to mid herald.
Originally posted by leonidasI sometimes forget to specify no BFR, but suffice to say I don't want it here.
yeah, hard to believe they can be so drastically wrong. 😛 when his powers are actually written properly--as they often but not always are--he wins or draws this, unless bfr is available then i'm sure morg, especially with the water, could bfr him. a flaming chandelier.... lol
I'm just curious to see how these characters are seen in relation to another -- and Jugs specifically, who seems to rely a lot on that old godblast feat, but then again I think he has other good ones too (and a few really bad ones).
Like...how does Morg's output compare to Hulk? To Thor? I peg Surfer and Morg as pretty close in power (surfer obviously having the edge), would Juggs walk through him, too? How would he deal with Thanos output? Is it bigger than a godblast?
Originally posted by Philosophía
I sometimes forget to specify no BFR, but suffice to say I don't want it here.I'm just curious to see how these characters are seen in relation to another -- and Jugs specifically, who seems to rely a lot on that old godblast feat, but then again I think he has other good ones too (and a few really bad ones).
Like...how does Morg's output compare to Hulk? To Thor? I peg Surfer and Morg as pretty close in power (surfer obviously having the edge), would Juggs walk through him, too? How would he deal with Thanos output? Is it bigger than a godblast?