Originally posted by CosmicComet
No, but the power was the same nonetheless.Not like the Godblast is a physical punch or something.
There is no comparison between that blast vs Exitar and the blast a weakened Thor let off against Juggernaut.
Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong :
See the difference? A healthy Thor, uttering Runic spells during the Godblast, reinforces Mjolnir with his Belt of Strength, let's off a Godblast so powerful it shreds his Belt of Strength and shatters Mjolnir.There is no comparison between that blast vs Exitar and the blast a weakened Thor let off against Juggernaut.
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That was definitely a weakened godblast. Pretty obvious too.
Originally posted by Booya_69
Juggernaut murks reg Morg. The reason being it doesn’t seem like Morg would think of bfr. Juggernaut would laugh off any blasts and force a h2h battle. If the wol has mystical properties, then morg probably takes the majority.
Does Cain have any showings that are better than beating the tar out of the Surfer? Look at the Juggernaut's opponents. Morg is far more powerful than the Thing. Cain was all but rated as being as strong as Wonder Man with a near impenetrable shield. It was always his toughness that gave characters that were more powerful than he was fits.
Originally posted by Stoic
Does Cain have any showings that are better than beating the tar out of the Surfer? Look at the Juggernaut's opponents. Morg is far more powerful than the Thing. Cain was all but rated as being as strong as Wonder Man with a near impenetrable shield. It was always his toughness that gave characters that were more powerful than he was fits.
Wonder man?! How dare you.
To answer your question, yes I do think he has better. He’s been shown to be physically superior against Thor pretty every time they fight. He was equal or superior (depending how you look at it) to wwhulk. One of the very few beings on earth who wolverine can’t cut.
it's very difficult to keep track of when juggs is and isn't at full power, but in this thread i assume full, classic power levels, without cis. that means cain will NOT forget about his force field, as he so often does in so many of his fights. morg would try hacking and physically overpowering him, but i see that going LESS well than it did for thor. thor was only able to win because of magic. even the hulk has been unable to physically beat juggs, so i don't see morg doing it. morg is more a brawler than anything else, and that is jugg's specialty. it's rare for juggs to get clean wins against guys, but he very rarely ever actually loses. in this type of fight where there is no where for morg to go, i can't see juggs losing it.
Originally posted by zopzop
Was Thor suffering from crippling spiritual attacks that left him weak and disoriented when he fired off the Godblast against the Celestials? No right?
Originally posted by leonidas
it's very difficult to keep track of when juggs is and isn't at full power, but in this thread i assume full, classic power levels, without cis. that means cain will NOT forget about his force field, as he so often does in so many of his fights. morg would try hacking and physically overpowering him, but i see that going LESS well than it did for thor. thor was only able to win because of magic. even the hulk has been unable to physically beat juggs, so i don't see morg doing it. morg is more a brawler than anything else, and that is jugg's specialty. it's rare for juggs to get clean wins against guys, but he very rarely ever actually loses. in this type of fight where there is no where for morg to go, i can't see juggs losing it.
Originally posted by Philosophía😄
I sometimes forget to specify no BFR, but suffice to say I don't want it here.I'm just curious to see how these characters are seen in relation to another -- and Jugs specifically, who seems to rely a lot on that old godblast feat, but then again I think he has other good ones too (and a few really bad ones).
Like...how does Morg's output compare to Hulk? To Thor? I peg Surfer and Morg as pretty close in power (surfer obviously having the edge), would Juggs walk through him, too? How would he deal with Thanos output? Is it bigger than a godblast?
Originally posted by Booya_69
Wonder man?! How dare you.
To answer your question, yes I do think he has better. He’s been shown to be physically superior against Thor pretty every time they fight. He was equal or superior (depending how you look at it) to wwhulk. One of the very few beings on earth who wolverine can’t cut.
You recall when the force field was nulkified in his fight with Thor? Do you remember how easy it became for Thor to overpower Cain? Put Wonder Man in Cain's place and the same would happen. Or, give Simon a nearly impenetrable shield against Thor and imagine what would happen. Cain's defense has always been greater than his offense.
that is true. but he's strong enough to put morg down imo.
I'm just curious to see how these characters are seen in relation to another -- and Jugs specifically, who seems to rely a lot on that old godblast feat, but then again I think he has other good ones too (and a few really bad ones).Like...how does Morg's output compare to Hulk? To Thor? I peg Surfer and Morg as pretty close in power (surfer obviously having the edge), would Juggs walk through him, too? How would he deal with Thanos output? Is it bigger than a godblast?
lol forgot about this.
i see ss has being significantly more powerful than morg, even though the showings against each other might not reflect that. i think the only time ss really went all out against him, he put morg down. morg is a brawler--not necessarily ss's forte. i would certainly place morg below thor as well, though that would be a fun fight, and i can't see morg taking out hulk either.
juggs v ss would be...awkward to watch lol i don't really know if ss could put him down, but he would certainly easily be able to bfr him in a 1000 ways. if he went physical or resorted to blasting that definitely wouldn't get things done. if ss fought like an idiot, i could see juggs ending him like green scar took down ss via pummeling.
likewise i don't see typical thanos doing much better than thor or ss would/did, but like ss thanos wouldn't bother challenging juggs physically, he'd simply bfr him using some sort of exotic ability or maybe along the lines of what wwh did to juggs.
to get through the classic juggs, full power shield via straight power, i'd think you'd need to be at or around the skyfather level OR have some uber magic to call on. someone like fate or strange would have better odds i think of handling juggs through power.
someone will bring up onslaught--but i think it was clear there he didn't have a shield up.
to be clear, that doesn't mean i think juggs could beat thanos, or anyone else at or near his level--i just think that at full power, with his shield, he is really damn hard to put down. like stoic said though, his offense is significantly below his defense. i wish they went back to old juggs, the one who could toss around some exotic styles of offense. where's newjak when i need him!! lol
no, there's a definite, artistic rendering when he has a shield up. he's very durable without the shield, clearly, but the force field puts him at a completely different level. even without the shield hulk has been unable to put him down though, so his durability is very good even without.
recently his powers have changed though, so i'm not sure if the current version of juggs even HAS a shield. which is why i've been saying classic, full power juggs.