Pre-Crisis Darkseid vs World Forger

Originally posted by SquallX
So how small was that planet then?

Saying apokolips and New Genesis collisions were not impressive proves how bias you really are. When know for a fact that both planets were bigger than the Earth itself.

Superman also fought and won against the propulsion of Warworld at full throttle being backed by Entropy itself.

You say Superman never tanked a supernova. That’s fine I’ll do one better. He survived a portion of the Source Wall being shattered.

Based on the fact the planet looks relatively small? We'll get to the Apokilips collison after you' tell me the size of that planet. One by one. i'm a patient guy

You know what's hilarious? It could be argued it was moon sized. The curvature was constantly in view. 😂

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You know what's hilarious? It could be argued it was moon sized. The curvature was constantly in view. 😂

See how ****ing dumb you sound?

Originally posted by Juntai
Doesn't mean anything. You can see the curvature in the Hyperion trying to hold planets apart scans also. In fact, the Earths he held apart are maybe ten or fifteen Hyperions tall.

See how ****ing dumb you sound?

In most of the scans the curvature is clear shown as Superman walked along it and attempted to get off. We don't know the density of the planet Supes is on, nor how weakened he is by worldforgers trap or what the atmospheric pressure is we have no idea what was required for him to escape. All we can go on is the visual representation of the planet, and It was Moon sized and it had a big ass cavern filled with dead Supermen inside it.

Originally posted by Juntai
Doesn't mean anything. You can see the curvature in the Hyperion trying to hold planets apart scans also. In fact, the Earths he held apart are maybe ten or fifteen Hyperions tall.

See how ****ing dumb you sound?

That’s why I didn’t answer him. We were told it was a planet, so we believed it to be a planet. A few years ago Pluto was considered a planet, maybe the planet Superman was on was as big as Pluto or maybe the size of Jupiter, we don’t know. All we know it was a planet. We treat it as such until told other wise.

And Hyperion isn't on the planet itself thus it appears that way.

That’s shit was “the Little Prince” planet size. Littleton no atmosphere and you could see the energy signature from their fight from space.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
We'll get to the Apokilips collison after you' tell me the size of that planet. One by one. i'm a patient guy

New Genesis is written to be large enough that Earth could barely displace the water in any of it's smallest lakes.

Ironically, I could show a lot of scans also showing the curvature of New Genesis or Apokolips in the backround, just to show how stupid using that as any metric in a comic is.

Originally posted by SquallX
That’s why I didn’t answer him. We were told it was a planet, so we believed it to be a planet. A few years ago Pluto was considered a planet, maybe the planet Superman was on was as big as Pluto or maybe the size of Jupiter, we don’t know. All we know it was a planet. We treat it as such until told other wise.

Our moon is bigger than Pluto ,so it can still be considered a planet and be tiny.

Originally posted by Juntai
Apokolips and New Genesis are twin planets. Though some like to claim half a galaxy since they were formed of a galaxy pulled together and split, I don't think that's the greatest estimate. Nor do I like counting the higher dimensional sizing ratio for the comparison, because they see the lower dimensional worlds as marbled sized from the 4th world.

New Genesis is written to be large enough that Earth could barely displace the water in any of it's smallest lakes.

Ironically, I could show a lot of scans also showing the curvature of New Genesis or Apokolips in the backround, just to show how stupid using that as any metric in a comic is.

Irrelevant. This planet/planetoid/dwarf planet’s size was never described and left vague.

So it was left to the fans interpretation.
The writer contradicted himself more than once during that arc.

Originally posted by Juntai
Apokolips and New Genesis are twin planets. Though some like to claim half a galaxy since they were formed of a galaxy pulled together and split, I don't think that's the greatest estimate. Nor do I like counting the higher dimensional sizing ratio for the comparison, because they see the lower dimensional worlds as marbled sized from the 4th world.

New Genesis is written to be large enough that Earth could barely displace the water in any of it's smallest lakes.

Ironically, I could show a lot of scans also showing the curvature of New Genesis or Apokolips in the backround, just to show how stupid using that as any metric in a comic is.

Alberto once tried to make out that Ego waslarger than our Solar System or somesuch, based on artwork.

I really wouldn't argue too much with him. He chops and changes his arguments all the time when it suits him.

@Juntai, Do you see the curvature while they are on the planet?

The planet and how superman looked and how easy it was for him to walk to the curve is completely different than being on earth. So, yes it's absolutely relevant. Your feels on it doesn't matter. It's not bigger than Jupiter or our Earth.

the difference with Hyperion you literally see Superman walking along the curvature of the "planet" he was walking on. In the hyperion feat, he was never touching either. He was in space between both which could have been thousands of miles apart:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Alberto once tried to make out that Ego waslarger than our Solar System or somesuch, based on artwork.

I really wouldn't argue too much with him. He chops and changes his arguments all the time when it suits him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Alberto once tried to make out that Ego waslarger than our Solar System or somesuch, based on artwork.

I really wouldn't argue too much with him. He chops and changes his arguments all the time when it suits him.

https://marvelheroeslibrary.com/images/pages/MAXSECT/MAXSECT-001-page-002-l.jpg

Earth can barely displace the water in one of the smallest lakes of New Genesis.

https://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/365fourth/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2010/11/NewGenesisNG1pg4_sml.jpg

Originally posted by Juntai
Earth can barely displace the water in one of the smallest lakes of New Genesis.

https://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/365fourth/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2010/11/NewGenesisNG1pg4_sml.jpg

So I'm guessing you conceded on that "planet" then.

Originally posted by leonidas
It’s not circular at all. 😕 Not even sure why you’d suggest it. Pc Superman is the evolution of superboy. Of course the feats don’t transfer but he has stayed true to his pc nature through the application of illogical feats. Like darkest knight.

If prime went back to his original universe and grew up he’d be superman. Only more powerful. You can try and argue that his insanity has played a role in his power level I guess. But I think it’s more because he’s from a time where logic didn’t mean as much. And we’ve seen directly that pc darkseid is considerably beyond superboy.

You can argue that prime is more powerful than his pc counter part and that’s he’s more powerful than pc superman was and I’d disagree. Then if disagree. Then I’d disagree.... so you’re welcome to your opinion. It just flies in the face of prime’s origin and ignores a pc character’s often illogical nature. Characters evolved and became more consistent over time but prime is a throwback to the crazy days. At least IMO.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
1 link working, good post 👆

That's because he copy/pasted Karkus' post on Comicvine almost word for word.

Originally posted by carver9
She was inexperienced in that fight, lol... their last fight, the scans I posted, she was killing him and she could've killed him as said on panel. She was physically over powering him, choking him out. Why are you making this so difficult.

You're still clinging on to Hulk and Cap showing that is over 20 years old. You can do better than this. Let me show you what I mean...

Deathstroke drops him to his knees with an elbow and then kicks him making him do the pain face...

https://ibb.co/0p0hzzC

Blasted and knocked out...

https://ibb.co/yWxJK8z
https://ibb.co/k60q1SR

One on one fight with Kalibak ending with him being knocked out...

https://ibb.co/VmprxJ4
https://ibb.co/1Z1WCMB

Titano knocks him out..

https://ibb.co/6XnYbtN
https://ibb.co/ph4rWf3

Supes has been knocked out more than any hero I can think of. Mongul knock him out, almost forgot...

https://ibb.co/yfmkxFd

All of this is recent. I didn't even post toy man knocking him out. Or Zod son, or Zod. Or a portion of Parallax power knocking him out. Is this what you really want me to do? Like, what's wrong with you. Keep clinging to Hulk vs Cap that happened over 20 years ago. Hopefully you get joy out of that.. 😂