Gun control in the US

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Newjak I am Beyond Power

Originally posted by cdtm
Other countries are other countries. They aren't a recipie or computer program, what works for one will not work for another.

Do other countrirs have the precedent we do? Prohibition for example? One of the biggest failures of an outright ban in the history of bans.

Yet other countries have successfully banned alchohol. Because what works for one country will not work for another, and vice versa.

The problem with this is that it assumes that similar problems can not be solved in similar manners to other countries.

To me that's just a side step of saying you don't even want to try.

Also it assumes that we're so vastly different that we operate differently. Differences exist but they aren't so drastic we can't employ what works in other countries.

Robtard Senor Member

The "it just won't work in America" is a lazy stance. Sure, it might not. But how do you know?

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by Newjak
Perhaps I should be more clear on what the drug part means.

A base retort to gun control is conservatives and pro-gun advocates like to talk about how drug laws didn't stop drug use.


Ok. I see, got it.

Originally posted by Newjak
As you said they are vastly different problems and using drug laws to say Gun laws won't work isn't a good argument. Especially when faced with the data we have from other countries around gun control laws.

What I would say is that my argument was purely oriented towards guns and not intending to draw any parallels to the drug issue.

To add to the discussion, I am also aware of the argument of guns being a powerful deterrent against crime that seemed to be collaborated by the Pew Research study (I believe that was the source, can be wrong though) years ago.
This is a side of the issue also worth taking into consideration.

The issue of successful gun control in other countries is worth noting as well, I concur.
But I would add that we need to be very careful when juxtaposing policies of the US and other countires. Given its size, social ambience and cultural make-up the US is in many ways unique in a global context.

Old Man Whirly! Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
The "it just won't work in America" is a lazy stance. Sure, it might not. But how do you know?
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Blakemore Restricted

People own guns in Britain and we have gun control. I think every European country does. If you want to shoot a wood pigeon for a nice game roast, cool.

If you’re a criminal lunatic who wants to shoot a drug dealer, **** you.

How do Americans not get this? Why don’t you just go back to blaming Mexico.

2by8 Restricted

Originally posted by Blakemore
People own guns in Britain and we have gun control. I think every European country does. If you want to shoot a wood pigeon for a nice game roast, cool.

If you’re a criminal lunatic who wants to shoot a drug dealer, **** you.

How do Americans not get this? Why don’t you just go back to blaming Mexico.

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Adam_PoE Senior Member

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't see how he's wrong. Even from the outside it's easy to see that guns are an ingrained part of American culture in ways they're not in other countries. Just banning all guns tomorrow would be horribly short-sighted.

The alcohol example is a bad one, though.

That is not true. Only a third of Americans actually own a firearm. There are lots of guns here, but they are concentrated in the hands of a diminishing number of people.

2by8 Restricted

I know how a ranged laser rifle could work.

2by8 Restricted

If they'd give me what I asked for the experiment and I confirmed it's what I asked for

jaden_2.0 Awful

Remember folks. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun in 20 panicky good guys with guns firing several hundred rounds indiscriminately in the hope that maybe a dozen will hit their intended target and if any innocent bystanders get hit....well...they died for you freedoms.

2by8 Restricted

Originally posted by 2by8
confirmed it's what I asked for
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-Pr- Hey Yo!
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That is not true. Only a third of Americans actually own a firearm. There are lots of guns here, but they are concentrated in the hands of a diminishing number of people.

Even if I'm wrong, and if I am, fair enough, a third is an absolutely massive amount of people, isn't it?

Adam_PoE Senior Member
Originally posted by -Pr-
Even if I'm wrong, and if I am, fair enough, a third is an absolutely massive amount of people, isn't it?

Republicans would like you to think so, since they represent even fewer than a third of voters, but have outsized representation in government.

Look at it this way: nearly 70% of Americans do not own guns, and an even larger percentage want gun restrictions.

Robtard Senor Member

@PR

Adam's correct. It is about one third of the population and it's predominantly Conservative White men who own guns.

The demographics of gun ownership

What Percentage of Americans Own Guns?

snowdragon Senior Member

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Republicans would like you to think so, since they represent even fewer than a third of voters, but have outsized representation in government.

Look at it this way: nearly 70% of Americans do not own guns, and an even larger percentage want gun restrictions.

I think it gets even more zany when years ago they had said something like 3% of Americans own 50% of all the guns.

How many Americans actually own a gun? A 2016 study by Harvard and Northeastern University put the total number of privately-owned firearms in the U.S. at 265 million, with more than half of that — 133 million — being concentrated in the hands of just 3 percent of Americans, called "super owners," who have an average of 17 guns each.

That's crazy town to me.

Old Man Whirly! Restricted

Originally posted by snowdragon
I think it gets even more zany when years ago they had said something like 3% of Americans own 50% of all the guns.

That's crazy town to me.

seems likely, I suspect the demographic is most in Kentucky, Texas etc.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Republicans would like you to think so, since they represent even fewer than a third of voters, but have outsized representation in government.

Look at it this way: nearly 70% of Americans do not own guns, and an even larger percentage want gun restrictions.

Originally posted by Robtard
@PR

Adam's correct. It is about one third of the population and it's predominantly Conservative White men who own guns.

The demographics of gun ownership

What Percentage of Americans Own Guns?

I'm not against gun restrictions. I think they're nifty.

But "almost seventy percent" means that the number of gun owners is still at least eighty million people. Eighty. It's hard to believe that there isn't some kind of cultural component to it.

Old Man Whirly! Restricted

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not against gun restrictions. I think they're nifty.

But "almost seventy percent" means that the number of gun owners is still at least eighty million people. Eighty. It's hard to believe that there isn't some kind of cultural component to it.

No doubt PR. You've seen Deliverance.

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
seems likely, I suspect the demographic is most in Kentucky, Texas etc.

We have that data too, in total volume, Texas is number 1, Kentucky doesn't even break the top 20:

Number of registered weapons in the U.S. in 2019, by state

But in gun to population ratio, Kentucky is up there.

Old Man Whirly! Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
We have that data too, in total volume, Texas is number 1, Kentucky doesn't even break the top 20:

Number of registered weapons in the U.S. in 2019, by state

But in gun to population ratio, Kentucky is up there.

Yup, it had to be those guys ya'all. And I suspect rural areas are higher.