Originally posted by SquallX
That is such an idiot stance. You know a shot gun, does more damage to the body right? And it’s harder to save an individual that’s been hit from a shot gun round than a 5.56 round?
Why does most of the US military use 5.56 round rifles (eg M4/M4A1 rifle) as its standard weapon compared to a shotgun then, if a shotgun is more effective in killing large groups of people?
Originally posted by Robtard
Why does most of the US military use 5.56 round rifles (eg M4/M4A1 rifle) as its standard weapon compared to a shotgun then, if a shotgun is more effective in killing large groups of people?
Range and environment.
Military work in units and employ tactics on battlefields. 500 trained guys with rifles would pick off 500 guys with shotguns in open terrain.
A shotgun is much better in close quarters, such as against home invasions.
Originally posted by Klaw
All Americans should get a free shotgun then.
Of course, it's also true rifles are capable of shooting through several buildings.
I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine a shotgun at a crowded place would be far more limited by range then a semi-auto rifle. You can run out of, say, a store and still get picked off at the street.
Originally posted by cdtm
Range and environment.Military work in units and employ tactics on battlefields. 500 trained guys with rifles would pick off 500 guys with shotguns in open terrain.
A shotgun is much better in close quarters, such as against home invasions.
The situation is regarding mass shootings, where say a AR15 style rifle is generally going to better at racking up a body count than say a 12 gauge pump shotgun which holds 6-10 rounds.
Originally posted by Robtard
The situation is regarding mass shootings, where say a AR15 style rifle is generally going to better at racking up a body count than say a 12 gauge pump shotgun which holds 6-10 rounds.
Ah.
Makes sense.
Of course, there's always ways. Seen some ridiculous examples of ammo belts, custom feeds, all kinds of stuff.
But of course not everyone has the knowhow or imagination.
Originally posted by Blakemore
Didn't Michael Moore say there were more guns in Canada than the US yet it still has less gun crime?
Wouldn't that be a good reason to own a gun then?
Come to think of it, the US has pretty screwed up narratives. Somehow we're the land where everyone peacefully protests and everyone is safe with a gun, yet also have high rates of gun homicides and burning buildings during protests (And capital insurgents, can't forget that.)
I mean, if we all think every other guy is a potential blood thirsty murderer, maybe we should be having a different conversation. Like why we have so many bloodthirsty murderers.
Thinking about it, the black community should take after the asians and arm themselve.
Gun control was originally intended to disarm black americans anyways. If everyone who can afford to legally purchase a gun did so, I bet you the Gestapo would think twice before murdering a black life. Not if everyone in the community is openly armed.
Maybe start a gofundme to arm people who can't afford it.
See the NRA argument change overnight.
In all seriousness, why do you think NRA supporters would shoot up a place
I do not.
Do you feel blacks should not have guns?
I do not.
I've been to states with low crime rates and ridiculous gun enthusiasts. I've known a man who owns 50 guns, and has never used one on a human being.
I think many people do believe black people are inherently dangerous, and should not be armed. I think this is why police officers shoot black men.
I also believe police officers value their own lives, and would behave very differently if blacks armed themselves like NRA nuts do. If you're surrounded by legally armed citizens, you'd think twice before murdering one of them.
I am 100% serious. Prove me wrong.
Originally posted by cdtmIn 2018 there was 393 million firearms in civilian ownership in the U.S. with a population of 326 million people. 252.7 million if you don't want to include children under 18. So that's 1.55 civilian firearms for every adult. Wowzers.
If you're surrounded by legally armed citizens, you'd think twice before murdering one of them.
You are 4% the global population. And they own 46% of the global civilian firearms. Y'all love guns. Y'all have a huge concentration of civilians guns in civilian hands. Y'all average out to being armed to the f*ckin teeth.
Y'all also have a weirdly disproportionate rate of firearm-homicides that's fantastically higher than the rest of the developed world--mostly by handgun. 13,958 gun-murders in 2018. Unclear if the 990 Americans shot and killed by police in 2018 are a part of that. Let's say they're not... that's then 14,948 gun-homicides, or 6.62% of the gun-deaths being at police hands.
Every adult has 1.55 guns on them, but 6.62% of all deadly shootings are the police not being afraid of that ratio. So I dunno if I'm 155% onboard with the idea that the police think twice about it.
Course that was all gun-DEATHS. Didn't include all the shootings that happened that didn't result in death... so it's probably even less often that police are thinking twice about the sheer saturation of civilian firearms in the hands of the American population.
All those guns to stop their government from taking their freedoms but now complaining the government have taken their freedoms because of covid and they didn't do anything about it with all their guns. I'm beginning to think having all those guns doesn't have anything to do with stopping the government from taking their freedoms.
Maybe police should be forced to use guns as a last resort and tasers as a first resort. But any weapon used for defense should have safety training and proper procedures dealing with the public.
Let's face it the police who are supposed to protect the citizens are becoming the law. They are enforcing their own interpretation of what is right and imposing those rules on certain individuals who they believe are a threat to themselves.
Originally posted by SquallX
That is such an idiot stance. You know a shot gun, does more damage to the body right? And it’s harder to save an individual that’s been hit from a shot gun round than a 5.56 round?
Did you even read what I said ? Only specifically in areas where there is a danger of attack from animals. I wouldnt advocate leaving people defenseless from wild animals. Ffs
And A shot gun is mostly going to be used for hunting or for defending your home. Who walks into a maul with one to go shoot a bunch of teenagers facepalm
Originally posted by rudesterExactly. Just like the well-trained gentlemen who emptied their clips into this fella --- but only AFTER politely tasing him.
Maybe police should be forced to use guns as a last resort and tasers as a first resort.