MCU Us Agent vs MCU Captain America (Steve Rogers)

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, as a whole, WandaVision >>> TFATWS. My only real gripes with that show is the cameo teases that turned out to be nothing and that the final showdown between Agatha and Wanda could have been more creative. TFATWS had a couple of really good character moments, especially for Sam, but there're just too many inconsistencies and wasted opportunities throughout the show.

Daredevil S1 & S3 still shits on both IMO. And Daredevil S2 is also better than TFATWS.

Wandavision hurt itself by setting up extremely high expectations that it failed to deliver on. With TFATWS, you pretty much got what you were expecting... well, maybe less.

Still, outside of the fight scenes, Wandavision was a better overall show and by quite a bit. Even the cameos were better.

So far my favorite MCU TV shows are still AoS and DD.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Bucky being able to overpower Iron Man is dumb as shit as earlier in that very same fight Tony palmed a hit from his robo arm as easily as Spider-Man did.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SarcasticSaneCondor-mobile.mp4

Watch the whole fight again.

Bucky's metal arm > Cap and we know how strong Cap is.

My head cannon is that Tony made CW suit out of Coca-Cola cans. And that he was gay.

Originally posted by Mindset
Bucky overpowered him multiple times in the fight and was crushing his suit multiple times.

Watch the whole fight again.

Bucky's metal arm > Cap and we know how strong Cap is.

I've watched that fight plenty. Tony also overpowered Bucky multiple times. I literally posted a clip of Iron Man palming Bucky's robo punch. So, the fight contradicts itself multiple times. The Russos are shit at consistency when it comes to their fights. This has been a problem in nearly every MCU film they've directed. But going by more consistent feats across the films, Tony's physicals > Bucky's physicals.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
My head cannon is that Tony made CW suit out of Coca-Cola cans. And that he was gay.

Tony's CW suit got damaged by one of Hawkeye's arrows and his helmet got dented by being hit with Redwing IIRC. I want to say he built it for speed rather than durability, but he wasn't even able to catch up to a falling War Machine before the latter went splat when even his IM3 tinfoil suit could intercept multiple falling civilians before they crashed into the water.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I've watched that fight plenty. Tony also overpowered Bucky multiple times. I literally posted a clip of Iron Man palming Bucky's robo punch. So, the fight contradicts itself multiple times. The Russos are shit at consistency when it comes to their fights. This has been a problem in nearly every MCU film they've directed. But going by more consistent feats across the films, Tony's physicals > Bucky's physicals.

Never argued that IM wasn't stronger, the point was that WS can hang with IM physically for a time. This is consistent throughout all the movies if you consider WS and Cap being roughly equal.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Tony's CW suit got damaged by one of Hawkeye's arrows and his helmet got dented by being hit with Redwing IIRC. I want to say he built it for speed rather than durability, but he wasn't even able to catch up to a falling War Machine before the latter went splat when even his IM3 tinfoil suit could intercept multiple falling civilians before they crashed into the water.

My head canon is that Tony destroyed all his good armors in IM3 then rushed to make one in CW which is why it isn't up to quality.

Actually, scrap that. My head canon is that the Russo's suck at power consistency.

Originally posted by Mindset
Watch it again.

Never argued that IM wasn't stronger, the point was that WS can hang with IM physically for a time. This is consistent throughout all the movies if you consider WS and Cap being roughly equal.

What about what I said requires me to watch it again? Bucky overpowers Tony in some instances but Tony does the same to Bucky in others. That fight (and the film as a whole) being inconsistent has actually been discussed numerous times in past threads as well. And I'm supposed to watch clips of fights I'm already familiar with but you refuse to read posts because you think they're too long? 😬

And it really isn't. If you stack up Tony's feats across the films and compare them to Bucky's or even Steve's, he's above them in everything but pure skill.

Originally posted by FrothByte
My head canon is that Tony destroyed all his good armors in IM3 then rushed to make one in CW which is why it isn't up to quality.

Actually, scrap that. My head canon is that the Russo's suck at power consistency.

The Russos are pretty terrible at power and skill consistency, and it's been this way since CA:CW. In TFATWS it was more a question of just skill being inconsistently displayed for the most part, at least IMO. Still makes debating the characters difficult though, because you don't really know which showings reflect their true skill level and which showings are the PIS outliers. As I pointed out previously, even the sidekick Flag Smashers go from showing no skill in some episodes to being skilled enough to have multi-blow exchanges with the main characters in others, depending on whether the story needs to keep those individuals occupied or not. And then Sharon's comments in the last episode implied that Karli and co. had been working for her for a while before betraying her, so how much experience and training did they actually have before the show?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

Daredevil S1 & S3 still shits on both IMO.

Oh of course. Man Daredevil S3 was so damn good. Youve just reminded me how upset I was that it was cancelled right after.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh of course. Man Daredevil S3 was so damn good. Youve just reminded me how upset I was that it was cancelled right after.

Yeah, sadly, even if we do get some of the Netflix characters back in future Marvel shows/films, chances are they'll be rebooted and their previous backstories will no longer be canon.

Originally posted by FrothByte
My head canon is that Tony destroyed all his good armors in IM3 then rushed to make one in CW which is why it isn't up to quality.

Actually, scrap that. My head canon is that the Russo's suck at power consistency.

My headcanon is the suits depend on his mental state. Everytime he's bothered too much the suit making is affected

Mk4 and mk5 when he thought he would die for sure
Im3 suits during ptsd
Civil war suit when Pepper broke up
Endgame suit while post snap including Peter death

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I call dibs.

Battle takes place on the 5th avenue with no civilians around.

1- Both have vibranium shields.
2- H2H only.

1) Steve shitstomps

2) Steve wins, but knows/feels he was in a fight

Think US Agent was physically a fair bit stronger than Cap in the comics as well, so that probably is the case in the MCU. Sure seemed that way at least.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Think US Agent was physically a fair bit stronger than Cap in the comics as well, so that probably is the case in the MCU. Sure seemed that way at least.

When you look at Cap's wider body of work, post Winter Soldier, he is still way stronger than Walker. Walker is stronger than WS Cap though.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Think US Agent was physically a fair bit stronger than Cap in the comics as well, so that probably is the case in the MCU. Sure seemed that way at least.

Originally posted by KingD19
When you look at Cap's wider body of work, post Winter Soldier, he is still way stronger than Walker. Walker is stronger than WS Cap though.

You say that as of WS Cap is one of the weaker versions of Cap or something.

Lets not forget, Endgame Cap lost to Avengers1 Cap.

Originally posted by KingD19
When you look at Cap's wider body of work, post Winter Soldier, he is still way stronger than Walker. Walker is stronger than WS Cap though.

I don't think Cap's stats have increased across the films, or his Endgame showing against his past self would make absolutely no sense at all, even by the Russo's standards. I think it's more a case of him getting more and more feats showing what he's always been capable of. So, even though Walker has a lot less feats than him as a Super Soldier (3 episodes of TFATWS vs 7 films excluding Homecoming, where he was just in those PSA videos), using scaling he should be stronger than Steve, like he was shown to be against Bucky and the other Super Soldiers. Steve would still win a match between them though, being a much more accomplished fighter.

Both Steve and Bucky have vastly more experience and actual combat missions under the belt.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Both Steve and Bucky have vastly more experience and actual combat missions under the belt.

Well, yeah, they had a big head start on Walker. Though he's not exactly lacking in experience himself, military-wise. Before taking on the mantle of Captain America and later US Agent, Walker was a captain in the 75th Ranger Regiment and earned three Medals of Honor during his service. Steve and Bucky obviously have way more experience than him in dealing with superhuman threats though.