Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Yeah it's silly you're right. Keep signal-boosting for your oligarch masters. Biden shoulda given trump the skull-cracker!!
If we can't even admit that Biden had a bad debate showing, when he did, we might as well be Trumpers sugarcoating everything the wannaba dictator does.
I'm looking forward to debate 2, hopefully Biden is on top of his game and his team learned something of Trump's team tactics. Because I assure you Fox news will be easy on Trump.
Originally posted by Robtard
They're were several opportunities like that, that Biden didn't jump on. Dude was having a bad night.Why I said he shouldn't try to refute every clownish lie Trump spouts in the next one, it's impossible in 60 seconds. He needs to sell his positives, while Trump does his usual lies and doom-and-gloom.
Another obvious one when asked if he would accept the election result, and he said something like "if it's shown to be fair", easy one line response to jump in "in other words you'll accept it if you win.. you're such an imbecile"
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
*signal boosting intensifies*the trouble is democrat jackasses who can't get off the topic. that's why the party mascot is a donkey
You're acting like I'm on a megaphone in the pubic square shouting "All is lost! We need to replace Biden!". When I've not even done that here, where there's like 12 of us left. And before you assume, I don't really use social media.
tl;dr version: You're being a silly ass
https://youtu.be/jMh6m79lk6s?si=-qXKLmqtSv2VWkIs
There are so many more examples, I'm not going on a digging spree
But here is fetterman being fact checked with an actual ****ing BELL. Why the actual **** are you advocating for continued lack of moderation when that is Trump's perfect element? Never mind with the ad hominem shit
This style over substance critique of the debate is infuriating. Biden has vast recall of data and facts, but because he presents them slowly, people are calling for him to withdraw. Meanwhile, Trump can lie confidently, completely unabated and unchecked, and gets praised for it. It is like people, particularly the media, learned nothing from 2016.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
https://youtu.be/jMh6m79lk6s?si=-qXKLmqtSv2VWkIsThere are so many more examples, I'm not going on a digging spree
But here is fetterman being fact checked with an actual ****ing BELL. Why the actual **** are you advocating for continued lack of moderation when that is Trump's perfect element? Never mind with the ad hominem shit
If CNN was supposed to fact check both candidates and didn't, then sure, that's shit on them as that helps Trump by a factor of 92%. As Biden was wrong here-there, but not like Trump.
From what I understand, both parties agreed to the terms we saw.
Originally posted by Robtard
From what I understand, both parties agreed to the terms we saw.
That's why I voiced my concern about him being allowed to walk into this trap. Great presidents are great partially because of the people advising them and watching their back. If Biden agreed to this knowing what it was, then of course that's on him. I voiced my concern about it once (twice, now) and left it at that.
I promise you, everyone's cynical hot takes about Biden will not age well, especially if democracy dies
Backing out of the Fox debate now would be a disaster. But Biden having trouble on stage again is also bad. Why I said he shouldn't try and counter every Trump lie in the second debate, it's a waste of time. Just dismiss Trump's rants as obvious lies "he's lying again, people" and then sell his own strengths. Jobs, the economy, his CHIPS act, his clean water act, job wages going up, no us troops in active wars etc. etc. etc.
If Biden wants to personally attack Trump at times, do it on his indictments, pending indictments, his lawsuits etc.
Also, the 'who's tougher act' only favors Trump's style of all filler and zero meat style of debate. Biden should back away from that.
The entire debate structure is a "who's tougher act". "You have 80 seconds to say literally anything unchallenged unless your opponent mentions something". It would look absolutely f*cking stupid to walk into the exact same trap. But he has to do it again or he looks weak? WTF kind of batshit is that?
Obviously I want what's ever best for Biden to happen, but the fallout of Biden ducking out wouldn't be good, imo. Biden's on a different set of rules than Trump. Trump gets away with shit that would bury any other politician, we've seen that since 2016 and it's because Trump is a professional forever victim and caters to the lowest of imbeciles who see themselves as forever victims.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
He'd be "ducking out" by not demanding rules? Are you ****ing serious rn?
But the debate rules have already been agreed upon by both parties, Trump's not going to agree to any changes now that help Biden. So Biden's options are not show up (ie ducking out) or showing up and using what he learned in round one to his advantage with the rules in place.
Unless I'm completely wrong and the final details of the Fox debate are still being worked out?
@robtard I was unaware that the same rules were allowed. If so we're ****ing doomed because "definition of insanity". None the less:
~citation needed~
@adam Hopefully it will be implemented to some degree, or Biden really is just stumbling into another trap. At the very least moderator push back on election/J6 denialism
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
@robtard I was unaware that the same rules were allowed. If so we're ****ing doomed because "definition of insanity". None the less:~citation needed~
Always fair to ask 👆
I did some digging, I might be at least partially wrong then, seems that they for certain agreed upon two debates, CNN in June and Fox in Sept and they agreed on the muted mic. So assuming the final details are not penned out (but could be):
Knowing who they are, Trump and Fox news will not agree to fact checks, they both know it will be 30+ of Trumps outright lies to Biden's and Fox is going to look beyond biased in letting Trump's barrage of lies fly, while the mods hammer Biden for saying "57", when the real number was "58". They'll insist on the same rules as the CNN one.
Well no, as I meant with your attitude towards me. I'm vexed too from Thursday's shitshow, if that wasn't clear.
Debate wasn't necessarily good for Trump either as I suspect his barrage of lies and standard empty promises didn't sway many anti-Trump Republicans or moderates into his fold, But it was worse for Biden because he has to show he's capable despite his age and those first 30 mins were rough optics. The bar is simply higher for him.
I don't want the younger Dem voters staying home because of the "they're both bad" moron-level bullshit, which is a problem every election and Thursday likely fed into that on some level.
The debate was perfect for trump. Literally nobody is going to decide to vote for trump based on the debate, and he won't lose a single vote over his lies. It's all about taking Biden down with a barrage of lies that he has to individually address in realtime. He has literally nothing to lose unless he gets real moderator pushback. It's not unfounded, as I demonstrated. Walking into the same exact trap would make biden look like a fool. Just saying "everything he said was a lie, anyway..." is not necessarily going to work and might come off as childish after the 16th repeat. Each lie that remains unaddressed, remains questionable