Originally posted by h1a8
Why?
Why couldn't it just be an average showing?
What heat did Mangog take that is superior to the core of the sun?
In that case we could just assume that Firelord or the Human Torch would beat Mangog right? Where was it ever stated that Mangog was weak to heat? The sun showing was a low showing for him.
Originally posted by Stoic
In that case we could just assume that Firelord or the Human Torch would beat Mangog right? Where was it ever stated that Mangog was weak to heat? The sun showing was a low showing for him.
They are really trying to hard with this sun and heat crap.
Are gas station explosions quantifiable? How about John Deer Lawnmowers? Lemme guess, that lawnmower was made with DC tech therefore its superior?
I love how low showings apply to every single character except for Superman, and then its nothing but his highs every single time. Everything else is consistently brushed aside or ignored.
It was a low showing for Mangog and yall know it was.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
They are really trying to hard with this sun and heat crap.Are gas station explosions quantifiable? How about John Deer Lawnmowers? Lemme guess, that lawnmower was made with DC tech therefore its superior?
I love how low showings apply to every single character except for Superman, and then its nothing but his highs every single time. Everything else is consistently brushed aside or ignored.
It was a low showing for Mangog and yall know it was.
That's why I stated that making a case based on a low showing is pretty much pointless. It's like the Thing's apparent KO over the Immortal Hulk somehow outweighs the fact that the Challenger/Grandmaster Prime failed to KO this same Hulk after crushing his face with a punch. This same Hulk laughed that punch off.
Originally posted by Stoic
In that case we could just assume that Firelord or the Human Torch would beat Mangog right? Where was it ever stated that Mangog was weak to heat? The sun showing was a low showing for him.
Lastly, your Firelord and Torch examples are faulty.
If those guys can reach temperatures far hotter than the core of the sun ANd for as long as it took it to destroy Mangog then yes they can beat him.
But the problem is that you have to prove they can reach those temperatures and also prove they maintain them before Mangog stomps the living hell out of them. The last bit is pretty hard to prove.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is it a low showing considering they had to hog tie him in unbreakable chains and sacrifice mjolnir just to bfr him in the sun?
Plot device. So yes it was.
Originally posted by meep-meep
This fight would never boil down to something as retarded as heat vision. It would be more about hope versus hate or something.
I know. Pretty ridiculous idea to continue clinging to. I wonder how many pages it will take for this retarded notion to wear off? I mean how many comics portray Superman floating there eye beaming his opponent?
Originally posted by h1a8
He has no feats against heat temperatures above the core of the sun.
Also suns temperature just doesn't melt Mangog instantly. It might have took a while.Lastly, your Firelord and Torch examples are faulty.
If those guys can reach temperatures far hotter than the core of the sun ANd for as long as it took it to destroy Mangog then yes they can beat him.But the problem is that you have to prove they can reach those temperatures and also prove they maintain them before Mangog stomps the living hell out of them. The last bit is pretty hard to prove.
See? Tunnel vision.
Originally posted by Stoic
Plot device. So yes it was.I know. Pretty ridiculous idea to continue clinging to. I wonder how many pages it will take for this retarded notion to wear off? I mean how many comics portray Superman floating there eye beaming his opponent?
See? Tunnel vision.
How does saying "Tunnel Vision" prove anything? That is a terrible way to debate.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
No it's not and that's not a example of a plot device. You're reaching
Mangog is several times tougher than Thor used to be. It was a low showing. Consider that Thor was diving into the sun for prolonged periods of time and the worst that he felt was that his eyes were burning. Again, it was a low showing, and the sun was the plot device. Think before posting.
because he fought inside of one in the very same series under the same writer.
And because he has been shown hanging out in it like stoic said, chatting and thinking about it.
He has thrown Mjolnkr into and around the sun a few times.
Yall just love lowballing anything Asgard related and we all know it. Its ok, but don't pretend like thats not what yall are doing.
Im probably one of the few Marvel fans who knows that Superman is at least a couple tiers above Thor. Thats set in stone for me, and it honestly should be for everyone because its plain as day to see so I dont understand why people even resort to lowballing Thor or Asgard stuff in these matches because Clark has the feats to win 80% of the time if we just use averages like we are SUPPOSED to do.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
because he fought inside of one in the very same series under the same writer.And because he has been shown hanging out in it like stoic said, chatting and thinking about it.
He has thrown Mjolnkr into and around the sun a few times.
Yall just love lowballing anything Asgard related and we all know it. Its ok, but don't pretend like thats not what yall are doing.
Im probably one of the few Marvel fans who knows that Superman is at least a couple tiers above Thor. Thats set in stone for me, and it honestly should be for everyone because its plain as day to see so I dont understand why people even resort to lowballing Thor or Asgard stuff in these matches because Clark has the feats to win 80% of the time if we just use averages like we are SUPPOSED to do.
Not my question. But thanks.
Originally posted by Stoic
Mangog is several times tougher than Thor used to be. It was a low showing. Consider that Thor was diving into the sun for prolonged periods of time and the worst that he felt was that his eyes were burning. Again, it was a low showing, and the sun was the plot device. Think before posting.
Was Thor ever shown to be in the core of the sun for a long period? Like I said it's not a low showing considering the build up. Plus writers intent that the only way to defeat him was to bfr and tie him up and sacrifice a plot weapon. Plus you're misinterpreting the scene with Thor. Sure he was in the sun searching for mjolnir but it's obvious he's in pain. It's not like he could've stayed there forever
Originally posted by StoicMangog doesn't have to necessarily be tougher when it comes withstanding heat. He can be tougher when it comes to physical strikes and what not.
Mangog is several times tougher than Thor used to be. It was a low showing. Consider that Thor was diving into the sun for prolonged periods of time and the worst that he felt was that his eyes were burning. Again, it was a low showing, and the sun was the plot device. Think before posting.
Like i said. Thor burning in the sun doesn't mean that Mangog coukd survive forever in the sun.
He most likely won't die right away though.
Originally posted by h1a8
How does saying "Tunnel Vision" prove anything? That is a terrible way to debate.
When in character does Superman float there and use HV for the entire fight? You're arguing power set. Look in the mirror.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Was Thor ever shown to be in the core of the sun for a long period? Like I said it's not a low showing considering the build up. Plus writers intent that the only way to defeat him was to bfr and tie him up and sacrifice a plot weapon. Plus you're misinterpreting the scene with Thor. Sure he was in the sun searching for mjolnir but it's obvious he's in pain. It's not like he could've stayed there forever
Several people aren't convinced that the core is actually the hottest part of the sun. Some believe that the corona is. We'd need the writers opinion. The point is that Thor repeatedly dove into the sun looking for Mjolnir. Other writers had classic Thor basking in the sun with no issue, which again goes to show you that you can't make a solid case based on one showing. Mangog is, and has always been far tougher than Thor.