Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How do you know it was prolonged periods of time?
The Mjolnir replicas took time to be destroyed by the heat. The writer was an ass. Imagine Thor being able to survive, while Mangog and Mjolnir could not. Using that story to solidify a case against Mjolnir, or Mangog is faulty logic unless we dismiss their previous showings. If that be the case, let's go back to Orion in the box, Hulk and the anaconda, Superman and the tractor, Wonder Woman and the bullets, etc.
Because they were meant to last long enough to help him find Mjolnir, and get him out of the sun. Was there a citation of an actual stopwatch logging the time that he was in the sun? Of course not, but he continued his search and went through several of those replicas. There were quite a few of them, so we know that he could take the heat for a while.
Do you really want to continue onward with this one showing? So many characters have poor showings that it is easy to grab one in any given debate and pretend as if they didn't have better showings under different writers. Let's see how many pages it takes to change direction. This could become comical.
Originally posted by Stoic
Because they were meant to last long enough to help him find Mjolnir, and get him out of the sun. Was there a citation of an actual stopwatch logging the time that he was in the sun? Of course not, but he continued his search and went through several of those replicas. There were quite a few of them, so we know that he could take the heat for a while.Do you really want to continue onward with this one showing? So many characters have poor showings that it is easy to grab one in any given debate and pretend as if they didn't have better showings under different writers. Let's see how many pages it takes to change direction. This could become comical.
He only went in with one hammer at a time. Then had to leave after it melted.
What is comical, is your initial point which I asked about:
Originally posted by Stoic
Consider that Thor was diving into the sun for prolonged periods of time and the worst that he felt was that his eyes were burning.
If there is a lake filled with strong acid, and I dived in every day until my clothes melted and my eyes began to burn.....I mean, sure, that's a great feat for my HF/medical care if I came back the next day to do the same thing, but it says nothing about how long I was in there for.
I agree, it IS a low showing. NEVER said it wasn't (this goes to you too, Shadowfyre, even though you jumped in willy-nilly lmao). I am merely addressing the 'logic' being used, that staying in there until his hammer (singular) melts and his eyes roast means that he's there for a prolonged period of time.
When it could have been a minute, 10 seconds, 5 seconds, hell, even 2 seconds or so.
We know, for example, that his new hammers are nothing like Mjolnir. Nowhere near durable - he kept breaking them. So we don't really know how durable they are, certainly not against heat.
A reminder of the scene:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85side note, does this mean that thor is now stronger than the Hulk? The strongest being in all the 10 realms
He only went in with one hammer at a time. Then had to leave after it melted.What is comical, is your initial point which I asked about:
If there is a lake filled with strong acid, and I dived in every day until my clothes melted and my eyes began to burn.....I mean, sure, that's a great feat for my HF/medical care if I came back the next day to do the same thing, but it says nothing about how long I was in there for.
I agree, it IS a low showing. NEVER said it wasn't (this goes to you too, Shadowfyre, even though you jumped in willy-nilly lmao). I am merely addressing the 'logic' being used, that staying in there until his hammer (singular) melts and his eyes roast means that he's there for a prolonged period of time.
When it could have been a minute, 10 seconds, 5 seconds, hell, even 2 seconds or so.
We know, for example, that his new hammers are nothing like Mjolnir. Nowhere near durable - he kept breaking them. So we don't really know how durable they are, certainly not against heat.
A reminder of the scene:
and he can’t withstand the Sun’s heat. Marvel is weak. Smh.
Originally posted by Stoic
When in character does Superman float there and use HV for the entire fight? You're arguing power set. Look in the mirror.Several people aren't convinced that the core is actually the hottest part of the sun. Some believe that the corona is. We'd need the writers opinion. The point is that Thor repeatedly dove into the sun looking for Mjolnir. Other writers had classic Thor basking in the sun with no issue, which again goes to show you that you can't make a solid case based on one showing. Mangog is, and has always been far tougher than Thor.
I didn't once argue that Superman sits there and hv him. I didn't argue ANY strategy for either character.
Superman will reserve the right to sit there and hv Mangog IF he finds out that is the only way (he exhausted other means).
Superman will first attempt to ko Mangog with punches, etc. Maybe think about bfr or hv after that.
The core is hotter than the corona. The corona is about 2 million degrees. The core is about 15-27 million degrees. (up to 10x hotter). The surface is cold as hell though (6 thousand degrees).
Thor most likely flew through the corona (plunging into the surface) faster than it can affect him (like swinging your hand quickly through a flame.
Thor didn't reach the core. He was subjected to temperatures probably somewhere between 6k and 2 million degrees.
Classic characters kinda don't count anymore since current characters contradict them in several ways. Classic days are considered to be like pre-crisis days (writers had and used no actual science understanding and had characters do ridiculous inconsistent things).
Originally posted by Stoic
Because they were meant to last long enough to help him find Mjolnir, and get him out of the sun. Was there a citation of an actual stopwatch logging the time that he was in the sun? Of course not, but he continued his search and went through several of those replicas. There were quite a few of them, so we know that he could take the heat for a while.Do you really want to continue onward with this one showing? So many characters have poor showings that it is easy to grab one in any given debate and pretend as if they didn't have better showings under different writers. Let's see how many pages it takes to change direction. This could become comical.
Thor was subjected to 6k and higher (unknown) for an unknown amount of time. Thor didn't reach the core.
Mangog was subjected to the core (15-27 million degrees) for a long ass time.
This is a huge difference. There is no inconsistency.
Thats even faulty assuming that toughness against blunt attacks scale equally to toughness against heat.
Originally posted by Diesldude
side note, does this mean that thor is now stronger than the Hulk? The strongest being in all the 10 realmsand he can’t withstand the Sun’s heat. Marvel is weak. Smh.
One writer doesn't necessarily dictate the status of a character across the Marvel world. Plus as a statement it's not really feasible against actual feats. If a character for whichever reason calls Spider-Man the strongest (say a relative etc as they look up to him) would you take that as literally as you are this?
When people are narrating in that sense he isn't gonna go "My beloved son, besides from the Hulk, Dracula with Dual Adamantium Katanas and Thanos you are the strongest being in all the 10 realms". That wouldn't be something that someone who appreciates a person would say.
Originally posted by One_Angry_ScotI had asked a question knowing how someone would have talked about it for weeks on end if this was said about the hulk. 👆
One writer doesn't necessarily dictate the status of a character across the Marvel world. Plus as a statement it's not really feasible against actual feats. If a character for whichever reason calls Spider-Man the strongest (say a relative etc as they look up to him) would you take that as literally as you are this?When people are narrating in that sense he isn't gonna go "My beloved son, besides from the Hulk, Dracula with Dual Adamantium Katanas and Thanos you are the strongest being in all the 10 realms". That wouldn't be something that someone who appreciates a person would say.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't once argue that Superman sits there and hv him. I didn't argue ANY strategy for either character.Superman will reserve the right to sit there and hv Mangog IF he finds out that is the only way (he exhausted other means).
Superman will first attempt to ko Mangog with punches, etc. Maybe think about bfr or hv after that.
The core is hotter than the corona. The corona is about 2 million degrees. The core is about 15-27 million degrees. (up to 10x hotter). The surface is cold as hell though (6 thousand degrees).
Thor most likely flew through the corona (plunging into the surface) faster than it can affect him (like swinging your hand quickly through a flame.Thor didn't reach the core. He was subjected to temperatures probably somewhere between 6k and 2 million degrees.
Classic characters kinda don't count anymore since current characters contradict them in several ways. Classic days are considered to be like pre-crisis days (writers had and used no actual science understanding and had characters do ridiculous inconsistent things).
Could've swore you were hellbent on the corona being hotter a couple of weeks back as I stated that it was the core that was hotter? You're an ass. Deal with it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor was subjected to 6k and higher (unknown) for an unknown amount of time. Thor didn't reach the core.Mangog was subjected to the core (15-27 million degrees) for a long ass time.
This is a huge difference. There is no inconsistency.Thats even faulty assuming that toughness against blunt attacks scale equally to toughness against heat.
You can tell all of that based on that one scan huh?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If there is a lake filled with strong acid, and I dived in every day until my clothes melted and my eyes began to burn.....I mean, sure, that's a great feat for my HF/medical care if I came back the next day to do the same thing, but it says nothing about how long I was in there for.I agree, it IS a low showing. NEVER said it wasn't (this goes to you too, Shadowfyre, even though you jumped in willy-nilly lmao). I am merely addressing the 'logic' being used, that staying in there until his hammer (singular) melts and his eyes roast means that he's there for a prolonged period of time.
When it could have been a minute, 10 seconds, 5 seconds, hell, even 2 seconds or so.
We know, for example, that his new hammers are nothing like Mjolnir. Nowhere near durable - he kept breaking them. So we don't really know how durable they are, certainly not against heat.
A reminder of the scene:
He could also have been calling in hammers to him while still inside as soon as the one he is using became useless. We dont know for sure, but i'd lean more to prolonged than the abbreviated version u are proposing.
In one of the scans, we see some of the other hammers havent even completely melted from previous attempts, while he's back at it again searching. I'm sure a majority of them had decent staying power, enough for him to stay inside for a prolonged period of time.
The hammers were no Mjolnir, but Mjolnir getting destroyed really is a low showing based on its history with stars. Same goes for Thor. They have a long history of star swimming.
Originally posted by One_Angry_ScotI mean it is Odin saying Thor is stronger than him though, and Thor is dying trying to dive into the sun. Seems a bit weird.
One writer doesn't necessarily dictate the status of a character across the Marvel world. Plus as a statement it's not really feasible against actual feats. If a character for whichever reason calls Spider-Man the strongest (say a relative etc as they look up to him) would you take that as literally as you are this?When people are narrating in that sense he isn't gonna go "My beloved son, besides from the Hulk, Dracula with Dual Adamantium Katanas and Thanos you are the strongest being in all the 10 realms". That wouldn't be something that someone who appreciates a person would say.
