Superboy Prime vs universe 616

Originally posted by Diesldude
so now you’re repeating after me? Just love this.. 😂 bro you got your ass whupped. It’s all here in this thread. Losing to me should be a completion of a task on your bucket list. You get kudos for that but the level of uneducated arguments you put up were just lol worthy though. Still you don’t lose points for losing to me. But 👆 jbl’s post? You will never live that down. 😂

Your whole argument has been decimated. Literally every point youve come up with ive highlighted the holes in it and dismissed it. The one point element of your argument that ended up being true was proven for you by another poster 😆

Step out of your pocket reality and embrace the real. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its your burden or responsibility to prove that Prime is immortal and beyond the rules of time and space as opposed to just being long lived.

I'll wait 🙂

😂 Moving the goal posts now are we? You said prime can be aged.. I asked for proof and you gave me nothing and are now saying the burden of proof is on me instead. 1)doesn’t work that way, you made a claim and I asked for proof. You said prime as time trapper is older. Argument was aged.. not an older future version.
2) I provided the proof. The example you used of prime as TT was used against you to show prime was alive until the end of time and and only got a few grey and grew a beard. That’s more cosmetic to differentiate himself from the crybaby teen. Also Prime floating 900k years into the future and still hadn’t aged.

Everything you brought up has been “debunked” as you and Trollberto like to call it. Better off just 👆 JBL posts or let carter give you the time of your life.

Originally posted by Diesldude
😂 Moving the goal posts now are we? You said prime can be aged.. I asked for proof and you gave me nothing and are now saying the burden of proof is on me instead. 1)doesn’t work that way, you made a claim and I asked for proof. You said prime as time trapper is older. Argument was aged.. not an older future version.
2) I provided the proof. The example you used of prime as TT was used against you to show prime was alive until the end of time and and only got a few grey and grew a beard. That’s more cosmetic to differentiate himself from the crybaby teen. Also Prime floating 900k years into the future and still hadn’t aged.

Everything you brought up has been “debunked” as you and Trollberto like to call it. Better off just 👆 JBL posts or let carter give you the time of your life.

Again i repeat that there are certain characteristics that are a given about characters unless demonstrated otherwise. 🙂

Basic things such as the need to eat, breathe, rest, the fact that they age and the fact that they eventually die.

Based on these accepted characteristics i stated that chronal manipulation is a tactic that can be used on Prime.

You asked for proof. I didnt have to give proof due to aging being a given characteristic that you would have to prove Prime wasnt subject to, but to smite you anyway i showed an on panel depiction and statement of an aged Prime as the Time Trapper. 😄

Sorry to smash yet another one of your desperate ploys but Prime being Time Trapper is just a future possibility.

Being the Time Trapper is an assumed role and who ends up being Time Trapper changes with the fluctuating DC timeline as stated on panel. So the identity of the Time Trapper is always fluid:

https://imgur.com/WlNXeV0

Thats why youve had Cosmic Boy/Rokk Krin as Time Trapper during the Zero Hour era preceding Prime:

https://imgur.com/1eDSs13

Post Zero Hour it was Glorith assuming the mantle

https://imgur.com/Z9MWwAz

Aaaannnnd after the Prime Time Trapper was destroyed there was a new Time Trapper in continuity that featured in the Convergence storyline:

https://imgur.com/aVjZQAc

https://imgur.com/bDiGi1H

Superboy Prime becoming Time Trapper at some point in his future was just a possibility. Just like Days of Future Past and Age of Apocalypse were possible futures.

One thing is for certain though, by the time Prime did become Time Trapper and was thus able to benefit from the roles inherent immortality going forward, he had already become old. Old Man Whirly old 😱 😆

So with that out of the way. Please present conclusive evidence that normal Superboy Prime is immortal and doesnt age. Without such evidence, chronal aging is still very much a factor. Im happy to wait 😄

Of course im just humouring you anyway.

Aging SBP to dust is just one way temporal manipulation can be used.

He can also be placed in a perpetual time loop. Repeatedly placed a second back in the past.

As witnessed in Deadpool & Cable: Split Second Infinite Comic #3 even Earth technology (Split Second Temporal Dislocation Harness) is capable of creating time loops let alone cosmic beings:

https://imgur.com/jf7h6gU

https://imgur.com/QLbe5g3

With SBP stepping into Marvel to battle and thus at that point on to Marvels timeline, it is a very viable strategy for cosmic beings

Your fanfic aside, can you show us on panel evidence that prime aged before assuming the role as TT? You can’t so why do you bring this up? I showed you prime still a teen 980k years in the future and hadn’t aged. That’s much better than you’re assumptions.

First you said since prime aged(grey hairs and beard as TT) he isn’t immortal. When I showed you how weak you’re argument was you now say as TT role he’s immortal. I think I called you on your constant flip flops before. 😂

Now regarding your time loop wackiness. He’s broken out of every containment he’s ever been imprisoned in. Marvel won’t even have a chance.

He’s faster than anyone in marvel. Nobody comes close.
He can fly through earth at superspeed before anyone realizes it. Destroys the earth and with his retcon/ reality altering powers ends marvel.
Slaps Galactus, ends marvel.
Flies into eternity, ends marvel.
Smacks a random celestial/watcher/elder/sky father and ends marvel.
Somebody bring the heart of the universe and the IG, prime “all that power” and takes it, ends marvel.
LT shows up on groveling on the floor in front of prime gets a kick in the face/ marvel ends.

Prime can end it in so many ways before anyone can react. This thread is hilarious. Prime was beating the crap out of DK a Dr.Manhattn+++ being. A guy that had defeated an entity that is more powerful than anyone in marvel. To think that prime doesn’t end this quickly is mind boggling.

You’re terrible at this. Moving goal posts, constant flip flopping and making stuff up. 😂

Diesldude, stop lying. Prime loses HARD here.

Originally posted by JBL
Diesldude, stop lying. Prime loses HARD here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
... you telling anyone to stop lying is hilarious to me.

Diesl, do you believe that GS has a point about Prime aging? Think about the end of time. Does that mean that time stops because the book said the end of time? How again can there be an end to infinity? If Prime aged even a little that means that he can grow old. You're arguing no limits here.

Well, if GS wasn't just trolling mindlessly there'd be a case to be made against those ridiculous claims but alas...

Originally posted by Stoic
Diesl, do you believe that GS has a point about Prime aging? Think about the end of time. Does that mean that time stops because the book said the end of time? How again can there be an end to infinity? If Prime aged even a little that means that he can grow old. You're arguing no limits here.

That’s why I originally stated up to the age of the universe but he went with 10k years.

I showed prime 980k years in the future still as a teen.

Prime as TT with a few grey hair and a beard could be there to differentiate himself from the bad tempered teen.
Let’s say that prime could age, As the time trapper he had full control of time and could have easily made himself younger but he kept that older wiser look. Prime looking like he’s 45-50 as TT doesn’t prove he’s ages.

The end of who's time? See what I mean? There's no end to infinity. If he aged, etc.

Originally posted by Stoic
Diesl, do you believe that GS has a point about Prime aging? Think about the end of time. Does that mean that time stops because the book said the end of time? How again can there be an end to infinity? If Prime aged even a little that means that he can grow old. You're arguing no limits here.

It’s comics, sometimes you have to take logic out of it to enjoy the story.

I'm just glad there's comic discussion that can last 20 pages on kmc

Originally posted by SquallX
It’s comics, sometimes you have to take logic out of it to enjoy the story.

I agree. Prime beating DK is one of those times. However, this is a forum debate that removes instances of illogical plot induced weird shit. Listen there are no unbeatable characters. They all can lose.

Originally posted by Stoic
The end of who's time? See what I mean? There's no end to infinity. If he aged, etc.

Comic says end of time and there was nothing left of the universe. So I equate that to end the current universe.
You’re looking time in parallel to universe life cycle.

Time goes on universes come and go so that means time is infinite. I get what your saying. 👆

But in that comic it’s corresponding to the end of the current universe as well.

So you can go 2 ways.
1- end of infinity ( which you think that I’m using).
2- up to the age of the current universe(what I’m really using).

I said numerous times that if we go by TT’s example you’re going to have to go through the entire age of the universe in a loop just for him to grow a beard.

If that somehow happens, prime will break out of it, because that’s what he does. I’ve shown scan of prime 980 thousand years in the future still as a teen. So it’s like he’s not aging.

Originally posted by Stoic
The end of who's time? See what I mean? There's no end to infinity. If he aged, etc.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
About this topic( I.E Time Trapper, Not SBP). In DC it seems both hypotheses are true. Time Trapper is the embodiment of entropy/the end of everyhting
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Who-s-Who-in-the-Legion-of-Super-Heroes/Issue-7?id=73777#15
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-50?id=85211#2
He literally represents "everything will end" this concept
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Cosmic-Boy/Issue-4?id=85455#6
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-50?id=85211#17
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-50?id=85211#34
And yes. Prime's Time Trapper version also is the one who embodies the end of everything
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Final-Crisis-Legion-of-Three-Worlds/Issue-4?id=77086#12
Though, In DC there is Infinite Man who is the embodiment of infinite universe/unending time. He and Time Trapper both are equally true per Brainiac 5(Time is finite for Time Trapper, Time is infinite for Infinite Man)
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-50?id=85211#35

Nothing new? So we are all in agreement that prime wins. 🙂

Prime has too much firepower for Marvell. 👆

Originally posted by Diesldude
Nothing new? So we are all in agreement that prime wins. 🙂

Prime has too much firepower for Marvell. 👆

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
About this topic( I.E Time Trapper, Not SBP). In DC it seems both hypotheses are true. Time Trapper is the embodiment of entropy/the end of everyhting
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Who-s-Who-in-the-Legion-of-Super-Heroes/Issue-7?id=73777#15
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-50?id=85211#2
He literally represents "everything will end" this concept
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Cosmic-Boy/Issue-4?id=85455#6
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-50?id=85211#17
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-50?id=85211#34
And yes. Prime's Time Trapper version also is the one who embodies the end of everything
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Final-Crisis-Legion-of-Three-Worlds/Issue-4?id=77086#12
Though, In DC there is Infinite Man who is the embodiment of infinite universe/unending time. He and Time Trapper both are equally true per Brainiac 5(Time is finite for Time Trapper, Time is infinite for Infinite Man)
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-50?id=85211#35

That's DC cosmology. What does that have to do with Marvel cosmology? If he aged, it means that he can continue to age. This is simple shit, and the Time Trapper isn't involved in this. That's an alternate future. In other words, move on.

Originally posted by Stoic
That's DC cosmology. What does that have to do with Marvel cosmology? If he aged, it means that he can continue to age. This is simple shit, and the Time Trapper isn't involved in this. That's an alternate future. In other words, move on.

Now on offense.
Who in marvel is a faster? Nobody.
We have seen him shatter realities on panel.
Perform retcon punches.

Who stops him from flying through earth 616 at speeds no one in marvel can match?
Earth plays an important role, destroy it and the universe can be destroyed but that’s the easy way out. He just goes around and ***** slaps everyone in marvel and ends it.