Sorry for all of the posts. It would probably be best if you guys read the entire series. It's out there and free to read. Once you read it, and his battle with Supreme, it won't be your fault if you walked away feeling like Galan felt after he read it. It actually leaves very little room for you to believe that your reasoning would amount to abc logic, especially after reading Kirkman's thoughts on how powerful the Viltrimites are, and can become.
Originally posted by Thinkerer
Gladiator matched Supreme too, so now Gladiator is above Superman too? I doubt it. Viltrimites.seem.way more squishy than kryptonians.
Supreme isn't even above Superman, yes, even factoring in the feat that Stoic said. 😆 But to be fair, I'm pretty sure the version of Supreme you're talking about is not the same Supreme that Stoic argued.
And just a heads up, using crossovers is generally against the rules(exceptions happen). I don't have an issue when they are canon, but I don't make the rules.
Originally posted by Stoic
In that shared feat, all involved were operating at less than best, due to injuries though.
So? Even being generous and making it a non shared star level feat, that is still significantly less than galaxy level, and there are billions of galaxies in the universe. No matter what you argue to make this feat as good as possible, it is still well below the fight against Supreme. I'm not saying it doesn't count, but unless there are other feats I'm unaware of(the shared feat is by far the best feat I've even heard of outside Supreme) thus is a time to point out outlier if I've ever seen one.
But even going that route, Superman and Earth-5 Captain Marvel lifted the infinite page book. Even ignoring that it had infinite pages, it contained the multiverse IIRC. So even as a shared feat, dozens of times more impressed than Suprema lifting the universe. Unless you're arguing Supreme is dozens of times stronger than Suprema(and while I didn't read the comics, I saw scans of the fight and wouldn't come to that conclusion), fighting Superman is still>>fighting Supreme. So Wonder Woman still comes out looking better than Omni-Man, using your reasoning.
Originally posted by Stoic
Sorry for all of the posts. It would probably be best if you guys read the entire series. It's out there and free to read. Once you read it, and his battle with Supreme, it won't be your fault if you walked away feeling like Galan felt after he read it. It actually leaves very little room for you to believe that your reasoning would amount to abc logic, especially after reading Kirkman's thoughts on how powerful the Viltrimites are, and can become.
I don't mind the multiple posts the way you did it, but it's not my job to prove your argument. It's not my job to go through INVINCIBLE to see your argument. It's your job to make your argument based on the comics. Writer intent definitely has its place, but what you argued doesn't hold water given they're from different companies.
Originally posted by Stoic
You ought to check out how fast Omni Man actually is.
I already know. I know everything about him. His perception speed is no where near WWs. His flight speed is irrelevant in a forum fight. Why? Because flight speed has no bearing on acceleration and reflexes. I can reach 1000x speed of light after a long time accelerating through space. Even then, my reflexes are still less than bullet timing.
Originally posted by h1a8
I already know. I know everything about him. His perception speed is no where near WWs. His flight speed is irrelevant in a forum fight. Why? Because flight speed has no bearing on acceleration and reflexes. I can reach 1000x speed of light after a long time accelerating through space. Even then, my reflexes are still less than bullet timing.
Except that's not how it went with them. If you read the series you'd know how fast Omni Man actually is.
Like I said, we are the fans not the writer. If the writer places his characters above another character who are we to say anything on the subject except accept it. These are fake characters, and can be written well above Superman, Doomsday, or any other DC character.
Originally posted by Stoic
Except that's not how it went with them. If you read the series you'd know how fast Omni Man actually is.Like I said, we are the fans not the writer. If the writer places his characters above another character who are we to say anything on the subject except accept it. These are fake characters, and can be written well above Superman, Doomsday, or any other DC character.
So by that logic, why bother debates at all? If you believe this, why even be here? Your argument doesn't actually hold water in this context.
Originally posted by Stoic
Except that's not how it went with them. If you read the series you'd know how fast Omni Man actually is.Like I said, we are the fans not the writer. If the writer places his characters above another character who are we to say anything on the subject except accept it. These are fake characters, and can be written well above Superman, Doomsday, or any other DC character.
By forum rules we go by feats. Im not going to speculate that Omni an has FTL reflexes when every showing of his contradict that. I know how fast Omni is. He's not that fast (in relation to WW). WW has FTL perceptions and limb speed. You can't use his flight speed in space as a guage to his battle speed and reflexes.
Also,Omni man can be cut to ribbons by WWs sword. He can also be lassoed.