Blue Marvel v Etrigan

Originally posted by carver9
In COMICS distance means nothing. Example....

This punch sent Wolverine flying some ft away from Hulk and it melted all of his internals and temporarily koed him and no, a tree should not be capable of stopping a punch that can send a person to the moon...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111237067/5020445-5859228642-HulkR.jpg

This kick sent Wolverine flying from the US all the way to another country and it did absolutely nothing...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3c2171e7214b468ab84c8f7162384f06

I can post the same thing with Superman. A punch not even moving him some ft away knocking him TF out while Etrigan punch did absolutely nothing. Distance doesn't equal power, IN COMICS. Not safe to use real world logic from a comic book. You all should stop this.

Yes in overall scheme of things, cheesy feats or collateral damage is not be all end all.. But for the type of feats shown, they are very similar. So comparatively speaking, one is more impressive than the other.

We're comparing these two in a vacuum.

Originally posted by carver9
In COMICS distance means nothing. Example....

This punch sent Wolverine flying some ft away from Hulk and it melted all of his internals and temporarily koed him and no, a tree should not be capable of stopping a punch that can send a person to the moon...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111237067/5020445-5859228642-HulkR.jpg

This kick sent Wolverine flying from the US all the way to another country and it did absolutely nothing...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3c2171e7214b468ab84c8f7162384f06

I can post the same thing with Superman. A punch not even moving him some ft away knocking him TF out while Etrigan punch did absolutely nothing. Distance doesn't equal power, IN COMICS. Not safe to use real world logic from a comic book. You all should stop this.

Distance ADDS to the calculated damage output.
If someone gets punched into space then you can't say it took less force to do that than what is supposed to.

However, Lack of distance doesn't imply lack of power.
I agree there.

That's why I ask for you to prove that it is harder to ko Sentry than to knock him in orbit. This would prove that BM hit Sentry harder than what it took to just hit him in orbit.

If you can't prove it then we have to assume that the exact force it takes to hit Sentry to space is the right amount of force needed to ko him.

Originally posted by carver9
In COMICS distance means nothing. Example....

This punch sent Wolverine flying some ft away from Hulk and it melted all of his internals and temporarily koed him and no, a tree should not be capable of stopping a punch that can send a person to the moon...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111237067/5020445-5859228642-HulkR.jpg

This kick sent Wolverine flying from the US all the way to another country and it did absolutely nothing...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3c2171e7214b468ab84c8f7162384f06

I can post the same thing with Superman. A punch not even moving him some ft away knocking him TF out while Etrigan punch did absolutely nothing. Distance doesn't equal power, IN COMICS. Not safe to use real world logic from a comic book. You all should stop this.

In addition to what the others said:

But your logic is faulty.

You are asserting that Lobo's punch is less powerful, due to Sentry being KOd and Superman being OK.

But that relies on Sentry having better or equal durability to Superman, and writers taking this into account, when we know they don't even take simple physics into account. Not to mention, Sentry's powers depend on his mindset at the time - he got depowered by IM's invention, for example.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes in overall scheme of things, cheesy feats or collateral damage is not be all end all.. But for the type of feats shown, they are very similar. So comparatively speaking, one is more impressive than the other.

We're comparing these two in a vacuum.

And we still can't use it against Sentry since he was rammed into a satellite after the punch and was sent a distance we are unsure of. The last panel we saw was him going through a satellite and if I remember correctly, he was still going.

Superman may simply have a better chin than glass jaw sentry. But yeah overall distance is sort of like collateral damage. That doesn’t mean that when we’re comparing nearly identical feats it can’t be used as an indicator. Fact is the demon estrogen (lol love you autocorrect) and bm (estrogen and bm.... am I the only one who finds that funny??) are very close strength wise. I think the magic and durability puts the demon over the top here but it’s not a sweep. Slight majority to the demon. What are some of bm’s beat durability feats anyway?

Didnt DC Hercules knock out Superman with an uppercut that only sent him to orbit?

Originally posted by carver9
And we still can't use it against Sentry since he was rammed into a satellite after the punch and was sent a distance we are unsure of. The last panel we saw was him going through a satellite and if I remember correctly, he was still going.

Unless you want to argue that Sentry would have traveled a moon distance if it wasn't for the satellite?

Originally posted by h1a8
The moon is like a thousand times further. It took only a few seconds for Superman to reach the moon. It took a similar amount of time for Sentry to reach the satellite.

Unless you want to argue that Sentry would have traveled a moon distance if it wasn't for the satellite?

What I'm saying is, we have no idea how far Sentry was sent flying since he kept going off panel. 😕

Originally posted by carver9
What I'm saying is, we have no idea how far Sentry was sent flying since he kept going off panel. 😕

Prove it.

He was shown floating in space - I have helpfully circled the debris floating in space with him, plus you can see his lovely blonde locks floating in space:

Originally posted by carver9
What I'm saying is, we have no idea how far Sentry was sent flying since he kept going off panel. 😕

Then you can't assume he was sent a moon distance. Lack of evidence for something implies no proof for that something. So as it stands Superman was hit much further away than Sentry was.

Tbh, it took Sentry more than 3 seconds to reach the satellite. After going through the satellite Sentry travel another few seconds before returning.
So he traveled a much smaller distance after going through the satellite than the distance from Earth to the satellite. Just to be nice let's double the distance.

@Carver
Looks like the station cut his trajectory short

Bm sent his superior to space and kod him.
Estrogen sent his superior to the moon, but otherwise was fine.

Which one is more impressive?

Thats actually a gud point. I was merely comparing the "math" b/n the two since you originally mentioned hitting people to space. What you just stated brings up a more complete viepoint of the feats.

What if someone says Supes is simply more durable? Thats a rabbit hole i didnt care to dive into. I just wanted to keep it simple.

The whole magic thing has me questioning whether or not Adam can win this. I believe that he's as strong, or possibly stronger than Etrigan, but strength and durability may not be the actual deciding factors here.

Originally posted by leonidas
Yep. It’s like a baseball player hitting a ball. Or a golfer. Or soccer player. Any one of them can hit or kick a ball a long way. The ones that can hit or kick the furthest are the ones who generate the greatest amount of force. They also trace the fastest at contact. Superman made it to the moon in a HURRY. Hard not to see that punch as being the more impressive.

Also be interesting to see how magic would affect bm. I think this is pretty close. I hold bm pretty highly, but I still like estrogen here. He has some crazy durability feats to his name.

Not to get into the weeds of the scan but I thought the writer added Supes’ own flight speed, since he’s flying right at Etrigan. Baseball’s the most apt then, but it’s like hitting a super baseball that’s self-propelled on solar energy.

Originally posted by Smurph
Not to get into the weeds of the scan but I thought the writer added Supes’ own flight speed, since he’s flying right at Etrigan. Baseball’s the most apt then, but it’s like hitting a super baseball that’s self-propelled on solar energy.

Superman flying at Etrigan makes the feat even more impressive.
Force = change in momentum/ change in time

So Etrigan's punch had to first stop Superman's momentum then still have enough force left to send Superman to the moon.

The Rhymer for me.

@smurph—i could see that. IMO there’s degrees of difference between The feats is pretty small regardless. Strengths are close. It’s the magic and durability that push the demon over for me.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman flying at Etrigan makes the feat even more impressive.
Force = change in momentum/ change in time

So Etrigan's punch had to first stop Superman's momentum then still have enough force left to send Superman to the moon.

Anyways, Etrigan’s punch is still better.

Originally posted by Smurph
It just doesn’t look like he did stop Superman - Supes was flying at him horizontally, and Etrigan uppercuts him and he flies diagonally up/away. So Etrigan doesn’t overcome Supes’ momentum so much as add a ton of vertical force to Superman’s horizontal force.

Anyways, Etrigan’s punch is still better.

Force and momentum are vector quantities. For Superman to be hit up and away (focus on the away) Etrigan had to cancel Superman's horizontal momentum (hence Superman was hit away). And yes, Etrigan added a shit ton of vertical momentum to Superman as well.