Blue Marvel v Etrigan

Originally posted by h1a8
Force and momentum are vector quantities. For Superman to be hit up and away (focus on the away) Etrigan had to cancel Superman's horizontal momentum (hence Superman was hit away). And yes, Etrigan added a shit ton of vertical momentum to Superman as well.

We need a volleyball expert in here.

Originally posted by Smurph
...except that the “away” is in the same horizontal direction that Superman was already travelling. He flies at Etrigan, and the punch (volleyball bump?) sends him flying diagonally over Etrigan’s head. Same horizontal direction, now with much vertical momentum.

You using the dreaded ios apostrophe. Have to quickquote you (can't quote you).

Anyway, i just looked at the scan and you are right (you were not explaining it clear enough). Basically you meant to use the word "forward" momentum. Etrigan didn't completely stop Superman's forward momentum (but he did to a significant degree). So Etrigan supplied 100% the power to send Superman to the moon in a heartbeat + the power it took to lessen Superman's forward momentum by 40% - 80%.

When you said up and "away" i thought you meant "away from Etrigan" as in swatting someone away.

Originally posted by Smurph
It just doesn’t look like he did stop Superman - Supes was flying at him horizontally, and Etrigan uppercuts him and he flies diagonally up/away. So Etrigan doesn’t overcome Supes’ momentum so much as add a ton of vertical force to Superman’s horizontal force.

Anyways, Etrigan’s punch is still better.

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Originally posted by h1a8

Anyway, i just looked at the scan and you are right (you were not explaining it clear enough).

I didn’t think this was a complicated point, but: if Etrigan’s uppercut redirected Superman’s flight (which the art shows - hence the blue/red/white blur up and out of the building) then Superman’s own flight speed added to him reaching the moon. Supes isn’t a baseball or a volleyball (lol), he actively generates forward momentum as he flies.

Etrigan’s punch is better, but saying it’s a simple distance comparison is wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
In COMICS distance means nothing. Example....

This punch sent Wolverine flying some ft away from Hulk and it melted all of his internals and temporarily koed him and no, a tree should not be capable of stopping a punch that can send a person to the moon...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111237067/5020445-5859228642-HulkR.jpg

This kick sent Wolverine flying from the US all the way to another country and it did absolutely nothing...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3c2171e7214b468ab84c8f7162384f06

I can post the same thing with Superman. A punch not even moving him some ft away knocking him TF out while Etrigan punch did absolutely nothing. Distance doesn't equal power, IN COMICS. Not safe to use real world logic from a comic book. You all should stop this.

This argument doesn't prove anything.
A KO in a boxing match can be achieved by a weaker punch for many reasons.

1.Technique of the punch. https://youtu.be/ticJpFe4Ozc
2. Where the blow strikes
https://youtu.be/2qhaUQbosgc
3. Accumulative damage
4. Difference in reaction of the one being hit (rolled with it as opposed to stepped into it)
5. Simple fatigue on the part of the one being punched

There are many more examples.

For example a punch into the solar plexus of an adversary can knock the wind out of them and cause a KO from a simple lack of air. https://youtu.be/zTr1ng9DWfA

Technique can alter the power behind a blow. A blow that has the torso swinging behind it has a lot more power than say an uppercut.

Etrigan sent Supes to the moon with an uppercut, so not he most powerful option. It had his strength but not his bodyweight behind it. Had he put some torso action into it it would have had several times the power as it would have come from more than JUST the upper body muscles but would have been powered by the legs and abdomen as well.

The power of a punch rarely has much to do with the amount of damage it causes. It helps yes but the damage is the combination of a lot of factors combines and power is a very small part of it