Political Correctness vs Dark Comedy

Originally posted by Klaw
Freedom of speech is good for society, too bad we don't have that since the Government can prosecute you for exercising your right to speech.

Or should it be blatantly ignored as long as it's a joke. (I'm aware several people have already given their opinions but I'm looking for whoever wants to share their thoughts.)

Like someone says "jesus christ dude do you realize what you're saying", is the appropriate response to that "lol look at this wimp taking a joke seriously"?

or more in the line of "yeah it's ****ed up, but it's just a joke."

IMO, people on both sides can be as sensitive and immature as each other "oh boo-hoo he didn't find my joke about rape funny, what a ****ing pansy."

"Jesus christ, he made a joke about rape, what a ****ing douchebag."

Although you'll have tons of people backing both sides, tons for political correctness and tons actively against it. I think both have a point.

It's hard to talk about this mainly without bringing up whether the stuff is okay to be said in daily life.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
YouTube video

Originally posted by Jmanghan
That's a 29-minute video, literally the definition of TL;DR.

Watch it, you might learn something.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think that generally fits the second point of them defending it.

If it's just a joke they can still acknowledge what they said is terrible.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
What if they say, ha, it's just a joke?

YouTube video

😂

Originally posted by Impediment
Dark comedy isn’t meant for people who can’t laugh at themselves, bleak situations, or tragedies.

As long as the joke has no true malicious intent or hatred, it’s a goddamn joke. Either laugh or don’t listen to it.

In regards to bleak moments I have such one example.

My first Platoon Sergeant told us a story of him in Iraq, they were pinned down, taking fire, low on ammo, he was a spc at the time, first time seeing combat. He was scared out of his mind until his squad leader started joking around, telling some ****ed up jokes. Everyone started laughing and they forgot their lives were in danger of ending.

In that moment it was the yo mama’s joke, rape jokes that helped him.

So jokes are good, no matter how dark. The jokes stop being funny once you cross the line of telling those who’s listening to attack others. Until then, go hard.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Agreed, as Stewart Lee does in the clip.

Originally posted by Newjak
That is a good clip lol

Rob Newman is good too, a tiny bit sillier than Stewart Lee but a very smart guy. Rob Newman is what you'd get if you injected 2% of Lee Evans into Stewart Lee.

Originally posted by samhain
Rob Newman is good too, a tiny bit sillier than Stewart Lee but a very smart guy. Rob Newman is what you'd get if you injected 2% of Lee Evans into Stewart Lee.

The idea of political correctness in comedy being some sort of problem is stupid in my opinion.

Comedians like to say they are the REAL truth tellers, they see through it all. Or at least are supposed to. But so many of them can't handle being told their joke is offensive. Like, not everyone is gonna think your joke is funny. And being told you aren't funny isn't being "cancelled."

Someone being like "oh I don't watch his stand up anymore his jokes suck" is not some kind of grand censorship or an attempt to silence people.

I don't think any topic is something impossible to joke about, but jokes can be told in so many ways, it's the delivery of the joke, it's the phrasing - so many things come into play.

Originally posted by Quincy
The idea of political correctness in comedy being some sort of problem is stupid in my opinion.

Comedians like to say they are the REAL truth tellers, they see through it all. Or at least are supposed to. But so many of them can't handle being told their joke is offensive. Like, not everyone is gonna think your joke is funny. And being told you aren't funny isn't being "cancelled."

Someone being like "oh I don't watch his stand up anymore his jokes suck" is not some kind of grand censorship or an attempt to silence people.

I don't think any topic is something impossible to joke about, but jokes can be told in so many ways, it's the delivery of the joke, it's the phrasing - so many things come into play.

Dave Chappell gets away with it, for some reason. He is a modern day George Carlin in a sense, without the swearing

Originally posted by cdtm
Dave Chappell gets away with it, for some reason. He is a modern day George Carlin in a sense, without the swearing

Chappelle is a ****ing genius, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Chappelle is a ****ing genius, though.

I like how the usual suspects defending Comedy Central and shady business dealings of the entertainment industry and making no headway at all. They use all the usual tricks like "Well he signed a contract!", or "They were taking a gamble, they deserve rights to his name for eternity". Nobody is buying.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Chappelle is a ****ing genius, though.

Another thing I love is how The Guardian, Vice, Vox and such have tried so hard to take him to task for his comedy. "There are real world consequences for his jokes", one Guardian article said.

And it just does nothing to him. He is the definition of "bullet proof."

He must have a lot of friends in high places though. Or be worth too much money to care what other people think.

Anybody else would have been fired a long time ago.

I love how The Guardian, Vice, Vox and such have tried so hard to take Dave Chappelle to task for his comedy. "There are real world consequences for his jokes", one Guardian article said.

https://www.pantagraph.com/opinion/columnists/page-dave-chappelle-pushes-the-same-boundaries-that-once-got-lenny-bruce-arrested/article_94d5e56b-58ec-5d28-99c8-214ccb0fd061.html

Or point out how someone else got arrested for similar comedy.

And it just does nothing to him. He is the definition of "bullet proof."

He must have a lot of friends in high places though. Or be worth too much money to care what other people think.

Anybody else would have been fired a long time ago.

So something occurs to me.

The religious Right has ever been against "obscenity", like scantily clad women or sex in media.

And the left has stepped up against objectification of women in media.

The religious right and the left align on this issue.

I was joking when I called the left wing of the us an actual far right wing, but this is really ****ing convenient. The bible thumpers got exactly what they wanted there.

The more brutally offensive the better, quick frankly.

Anthony Jeselnik's Eric Clapton joke.
Ricky Gervias' "well make something up" joke
Frankie Boyle's Richard Hammond joke

They all pale in comparison to Jerry Sadowitz though. Last time I seen him he was making jokes about a celebrity that had committed suicide the day before. Jokes about the Grenfell Tower fire that happened about a week before. He just does not care.

As Jimmy Carr would put it, it all depends on how you construct the joke.

Take this one for example. I hired a Polish cleaning lady last week because I thought they were hard workers for a cheaper price, but afterwards I found out she wasn’t polish, she was a slow vac.

It alludes to subtle racism but essentially the joke is a pun on Slovak and a shit vacuum cleaner.