Thragg vs DOS Doomsday

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman held back throughout the entire fight. If he went in with the same attitude that he had at the end of the arc he would've defeated Doomsday in the very first book. Doomsday wouldn't have had the chance to evolve. In a forum we ignore plot which is was one of the reasons that it took Superman as long as it did. This is without the need to ignore CIS. Thragg is not Superman. He wouldn't waste a moment to attempt to kill Doomsday. There's clearly a difference.

And DD was getting stronger and faster as the fight went on. From Superman’s owns lips.

Superman held back until the very end.

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman held back until the very end.

At first he did. But half way trough he realize DD was only getting stronger as the fight went on.

Don’t forget DD was also weakened due to lack of sunlight since he was dead.

Originally posted by SquallX
At first he did. But half way trough he realize DD was only getting stronger as the fight went on.

Don’t forget DD was also weakened due to lack of sunlight since he was dead.

I think people are missing Stoic’a point.
Doesn’t matter how powerful or faster DOS because as the fight progressed. The Superman at the end going all out still killed him at doomsday’s strongest. He’s saying that if Superman had that mentality early on he would have killed DOS during their first meeting especially if doomsday was weaker and slower as the comic dictates.

With that said, my answer to Stoic is that Thragg cannot come close to an all out, kill or everyone else dies Superman level.

Doomsday’s bone protrusions made short work of Thraggs squishy body.

DD is too fast and Thragg is too squishy

Why is Thragg squishy?

Originally posted by carver9
Why is Thragg squishy?

Also Vultrimite's fists and hands are disproportionately more durable than their bodys (necks, chest, etc).

Originally posted by h1a8
Because people weaker than Superman can gore him.

Also Vultrimite's fists and hands are disproportionately more durable than their bodys (necks, chest, etc).

Where did you get this from? Peers damage them, not weaklings. So you have to be strong enough to do it just like you have to be strong enough to hurt Superman or Hulk. Example, Zod punching him and almost taking the entire bottom half of his mouth off and Prime blasting a hole in his hand the size of a baseball. Rulk grabbed Hulk arm and broke it to the point the bone being ripped in half. Void broke every bone in his body. People inferior to Vultrimites, Hulk and Superman can't do this. It's common sense. Peers can hurt Peers. That's including DC peers, Marvel peers, etc...

The rest of your post was weird.

What if Thragg was several times stronger than DOS Doomsday when they first meet? Thragg would be aware of who he is facing in a forum battle. Is there any reason that Thragg wouldn't go all out from the start?

Originally posted by Stoic
What if Thragg was several times stronger than DOS Doomsday when they first meet? Thragg would be aware of who he is facing in a forum battle. Is there any reason that Thragg wouldn't go all out from the start?

Originally posted by carver9
Where did you get this from? Peers damage them, not weaklings. So you have to be strong enough to do it just like you have to be strong enough to hurt Superman or Hulk. Example, Zod punching him and almost taking the entire bottom half of his mouth off and Prime blasting a hole in his hand the size of a baseball. Rulk grabbed Hulk arm and broke it to the point the bone being ripped in half. Void broke every bone in his body. People inferior to Vultrimites, Hulk and Superman can't do this. It's common sense. Peers can hurt Peers. That's including DC peers, Marvel peers, etc...

The rest of your post was weird.

Wrong. A peer should NOT be able to damage them the way they can.
A person's durability is at least their strength level. Otherwise, they couldn't apply that strength without getting damaged.
Thats why you dont see Thor, Hercules, Gladiator, etc punching holes in each other and ripping each other heads off.
If you do see that then that means one character is massively stronger than the other.

Newton's 3rd law: "For every very action, there is an opposite and equal reaction."

That means if it took X amount of force to gore Thragg by character A then character A also withstood the same X amount of force on their hands without being damaged in the slightest.

So either vultrimite's hands are massively more durable than their own bodies or they are just squishy.

And like I said, beings weaker than Superman has gored Thragg.

Originally posted by Stoic
What if Thragg was several times stronger than DOS Doomsday when they first meet? Thragg would be aware of who he is facing in a forum battle. Is there any reason that Thragg wouldn't go all out from the start?

Then I guess we have to prove the underlined part.

Originally posted by Stoic
What if Thragg was several times stronger than DOS Doomsday when they first meet? Thragg would be aware of who he is facing in a forum battle. Is there any reason that Thragg wouldn't go all out from the start?

But Thragg is not several times stronger than DD.

You still forget that DD has feats before DOS, and that DD was far weaker.

A weaker DD fought the Radiant, a being created to specifically killed him. Fought and beat the Guardians, even taking a ring with him. Survived a tear in space.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then I guess we have to prove the underlined part.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then I guess we have to prove the underlined part.

Any examples for either, or both? DOS era feats weren't as high as present day feats. Just putting that out there.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong. A peer should NOT be able to damage them the way they can.
A person's durability is at least their strength level. Otherwise, they couldn't apply that strength without getting damaged.
Thats why you dont see Thor, Hercules, Gladiator, etc punching holes in each other and ripping each other heads off.
If you do see that then that means one character is massively stronger than the other.

Newton's 3rd law: "For every very action, there is an opposite and equal reaction."

That means if it took X amount of force to gore Thragg by character A then character A also withstood the same X amount of force on their hands without being damaged in the slightest.

So either vultrimite's hands are massively more durable than their own bodies or they are just squishy.

And like I said, beings weaker than Superman has gored Thragg.

Did you just use Newton law for a comic book?

Originally posted by carver9
Did you just use Newton law for a comic book?

Unless you can prove that a person can experience a different force than the one they are exerting, in comics of course.

Originally posted by Stoic
Any examples for either, or both? DOS era feats weren't as high as present day feats. Just putting that out there.

Originally posted by Stoic
Any examples for either, or both? DOS era feats weren't as high as present day feats. Just putting that out there.

Well you made the claim, so what's Thraggs greatest feat?

Originally posted by h1a8
True. But that doesn't prove the underlying part.

It doesn't disprove it either. Back in those days, using a bus like a baseball bat had a decent amount of wow factor to it, just like a punch capable of knocking out city windows for miles did.