Originally posted by Guestdude
I think thragg would win. He’s just as fast as doomsday and because he scales higher then Nolan and mark. he should scale to the feat of them ramming into Viltrum. Which I think should be more impressive then doomsday shaking the earth even though the space laser destabilized the planet
Thragg isn't as fast as DD. What's his best combat, reaction and instant movement feats?
Ramming through a planet can be argued not a strength feat since speed and durability is all that matters. Remember, a bullet has no strength.
We can't scale characters off other character's best feats (only their average ones). Otherwise Marvell can do what drax did since he did manhandle him after Drax performed those feats. Same goes for Colossus against Gladiator. Ben against Hulk, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thragg isn't as fast as DD. What's his best combat, reaction and instant movement feats?Ramming through a planet can be argued not a strength feat since speed and durability is all that matters. Remember, a bullet has no strength.
We can't scale characters off other character's best feats (only their average ones). Otherwise Marvell can do what drax did since he did manhandle him after Drax performed those feats. Same goes for Colossus against Gladiator. Ben against Hulk, etc.
Originally posted by Guestdude
I don't see why we couldn't considering that they are being written by the same author. And he ends up beating them the very next issue after they perform the planet feat. He is also shown to be faster then them during that issue when he blitzes them. He is also shown being able to dodge space racers laser.
Characters fluctuate in power due to fiction inconsistency. Thats why characters have variable (highs and lows) showings even by the same writer and in the exact same comic. Thor doesn't get Hercules best feats just because they are shown in a comic to be evenly matched in strength. And vice-versa.
You can only scale off average showings. Not outliers or a character's best. Otherwise i can claim some bogus things.
DD blitz Superman and Superman is far faster than any vultrimite by feats. That doesn't mean anything. Batman, Daredevil, Cap, etc can aim dodge lasers. Again that doesn't mean anything.
You have to give someone he consistently out speed that has established quantifiable feats. Or give quantifiable feats of his own.
Again, a bullet doesn't have strength. Just go through the core of a planet with enough speed to destabilize its core. No strength needed.
Originally posted by h1a8Again, a bullet doesn't have strength. Just go through the core of a planet with enough speed to destabilize its core. No strength needed.
I disagree. Strength and durability are definitely needed to fly through a planet. Northstar and Ironman have pretty impressive flying speed feats, but they’re definitely not flying through planets.
Originally posted by Booya_69
I disagree. Strength and durability are definitely needed to fly through a planet. Northstar and Ironman have pretty impressive flying speed feats, but they’re definitely not flying through planets.
Originally posted by h1a8
Characters fluctuate in power due to fiction inconsistency. Thats why characters have variable (highs and lows) showings even by the same writer and in the exact same comic. Thor doesn't get Hercules best feats just because they are shown in a comic to be evenly matched in strength. And vice-versa.
You can only scale off average showings. Not outliers or a character's best.Again, a bullet doesn't have strength. Just go through the core of a planet with enough speed to destabilize its core. No strength needed.
Ok, I was only using the planet burst feat as a counter to doomsdays planet shaking feat. and Thor matching Hercules is a much different scenario then Thragg scaling above Nolan. Thragg scaling above Nolan is more like saying Nappa is moon level because he scales above Raditz who scales above Piccolo and Roshi.
I was mostly using it as a durability feat Thragg being able to break nolans bones with his punches is the strength feat.
I have no idea how fast this era of superman is. so doomsday is probably faster then thragg
Originally posted by Guestdude
Ok, I was only using the planet burst feat as a counter to doomsdays planet shaking feat. and Thor matching Hercules is a much different scenario then Thragg scaling above Nolan. Thragg scaling above Nolan is more like saying Nappa is moon level because he scales above Raditz who scales above Piccolo and Roshi.
I was mostly using it as a durability feat Thragg being able to break nolans bones with his punches is the strength feat.
I have no idea how fast this era of superman is. so doomsday is probably faster then thragg
But outliers are not average showings. Thragg being stronger than Nolan most certainly means that he can duplicate all of Nolan's average strength feats.
But not necessarily his outlier type feats.
Nolan is not even big city level using all of his strength in 99.999% of his showings. He usually punches with less force than mountain busting. And that's using all his strength.
Originally posted by h1a8
But outliers are not average showings. Thragg being stronger than Nolan most certainly means that he can duplicate all of Nolan's average strength feats.But not necessarily his outlier type feats.
Nolan is not even big city level using all of his strength in 99.999% of his showings. He usually punches with less force than mountain busting. And that's using all his strength.
Yeah but I’m talking about just ramming into something at high speeds. Which has always been shown to do major damage in comparison to regular punches. You could probably scale Nolan’s punches to city level though. Based on him being Able to make mark bleed. When mark himself took several city leveling blast and was only slightly inconvenienced.
what are doomsday’s average feats so I can get a comparison
Originally posted by Guestdude
Yeah but I’m talking about just ramming into something at high speeds. Which has always been shown to do major damage in comparison to regular punches. You could probably scale Nolan’s punches to city level though. Based on him being Able to make mark bleed. When mark himself took several city leveling blast and was only slightly inconvenienced.
what are doomsday’s average feats so I can get a comparison
That's the problem, we can't scale due to fiction inconsistency. Characters are hurt in one scene by lesser forces than in other scenes.
For example, if character A was hurt by a thrown rock in one scene and yet tanked a nuke in another scene then we can't deduce that character B punches with more than nuke force just because they hurt character A with a punch.
Also energy blasts are not quite comparable to blunt force trauma or cutting force.
You can use Thragg highest feats here as a basis and can scale him off average (typical showings of Nolan, Mark, etc).
Originally posted by h1a8
So you agree it's not much of a strength feat. Not applicable here, either unless you want to argue that Thragg leaves the battlefield and goes into space to build up speed to ram DD.That's the problem, we can't scale due to fiction inconsistency. Characters are hurt in one scene by lesser forces than in other scenes.
For example, if character A was hurt by a thrown rock in one scene and yet tanked a nuke in another scene then we can't deduce that character B punches with more than nuke force just because they hurt character A with a punch.
Also energy blasts are not quite comparable to blunt force trauma or cutting force.
You can use Thragg highest feats here as a basis and can scale him off average (typical showings of Nolan, Mark, etc).