Originally posted by KingD19
Seriously, Stilt? You're better than this. Some slightly above normal human strength zombies are going to cut or bite into a guy who can duke it out with people like Hulk, Thanos, and Thor?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Welcome to the beautiful world of superhero comic books... where you can take Class 100 punches and still get wtfpwned by any casual piercing-type attack.
Good thing that you mentioned Thor, he's the perfect example of that:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Welcome to the beautiful world of superhero comic books... where you can take Class 100 punches and still get wtfpwned by any casual piercing-type attack.
But has Black Bolt? Wonder Woman is usually the only one this rule really sticks too as despite how durable she is, she's not immune to being pierced by bullets and stuff which is why she uses the bracers, but not always. And that's usually stated. Has Black Bolt been given any specific weakness to cutting/piercing damage or is he just assumed to be as tough against blunt force as he is to piercing like most Class 90/100's are?
Originally posted by KingD19
But has Black Bolt? Wonder Woman is usually the only one this rule really sticks too as despite how durable she is, she's not immune to being pierced by bullets and stuff which is why she uses the bracers, but not always. And that's usually stated. Has Black Bolt been given any specific weakness to cutting/piercing damage or is he just assumed to be as tough against blunt force as he is to piercing like most Class 90/100's are?
No, it's not just Diana.
Griffin goes toe to toe with Wonder Man, gets put down by bullets just fine.
Killer Croc has enhanced attributes and a slight healing factor, can easily rip off bank vault door even while mind-controlled... yet bullets always have worked on him, at least pre-rebirth.
Originally posted by KingD19
What issue/series was this from? Because I'm pretty sure Thor has been shot before and shrugged it off.Also, is there any context to that scene you're leaving out?
Black Panther #8. Priest's run.
He got knocked out by a single bullet. That's it.
His skull withstood it, though, so he survived.
He has no-sold bullets when he had the Odinforce and the chainmail protecting him. Without it, he's pretty much in the same category as Diana...
https://imgur.com/a/W2nPhMk - Thor doesn't get cut up from the inside out by magical creatures that slice their way out of you when you say their name.
https://imgur.com/a/SyDhYFi - How the creatures work and Thor basically tanked it.
https://imgur.com/a/fmxcjHV - Wolverine can barely cut him going full force.
https://i.imgur.com/06nCmql.jpg - Catches a full force swing from Malekith.
https://i.imgur.com/c46BWoo.jpg - Volstagg shatters his axe on Thor's chest.
https://i.imgur.com/FlC3BKk.jpg - Weapons shattering on his skin.
https://i.imgur.com/ghCNFTb.jpg - Shatters knives by squeezing his hand.
How many instance of getting pierced by PIS are there? He has a lot of piercing resistance feats that make that bullet magic or something to have penetrated his helmet and knocked him out like Wolverine in X2. That seems to be a super low showing imo. Especially since people like Wolverine have to put in effort to cut him and Logan could slice through a door that bullet wouldn't even leave a dent in.
Back on topic though, all the punishment Bolt has taken that hasn't split his skin(like Thanos stomping his head into the ground or getting rocked by the Hulk) should make it pretty obvious some low level zombies can't break his skin. Also I mean, he can fly and has full access to New York so he shouldn't really ever be in danger of being surrounded or bitten in the first place.
By "barely cut" you mean nursing his wounds during the whole fight and bleeding profoundly through his chainmail and leathers, yes? vin
Wolverine wasn't even in his right mind:
Thank you for mentioning Malekith:
Cuts himself when shaving:
Is well aware of his limitations:
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Bolt needs some piercing durability feats; assuming he could just tank such attacks is wrong, as super-strong people (who fare well against blunt force trauma) get cut all the damn time in comics by conventional means.
Not everyone is like Luke Cage or Colossus.
Morlun got pierced with tranquilizer darts, ffs.
You using Malekith cutting Thor's arm off with Jarnbjorn should be beneath you.
And regardless of the other scans for Thor, like I said, you wanting him to be vulnerable to being bitten by slightly ever so slightly stronger than human zombies doesn't mean it'll happen. That goes both ways. Especially since he doesn't have any real scans of being weak to piercing damage that I can find.
And again, he can fly, and has full access to everything lying around in NY that he can pick up and use as a weapon, like the millions of cars, buses, trees, etc... He's not getting touched unless he stands there like an idiot and lets them try. Even then there's no evidence fingernails and teeth will penetrate his skin.
Originally posted by KingD19
Even then there's no evidence fingernails and teeth will penetrate his skin.
And you can't say he is bite-proof, either.
He simply doesn't have the showings.
It's all about the feats (and the anti-feats) on battleboards.
Comics are wacky and inconsistent. We've always been differentiating types of durability.
Modern Aquaman has taken the shots from Superman and Wonder Woman.
Can he outperform someone like Tombstone against bullets and bladed weapons?
Hell no.
For all we know, Bolt could be softer than apple pie.
Originally posted by cdtm
A super horde of zombies from the Walking Dead in NYC. Say, 8.419 million.Who can kill them fastest, kill the most, if not finish off every last one?
1. Johnny Storm.
2. Cyclops.
3. Magneto.
4. Darth Vader.
5. Nitro.
6. Black Bolt.
7. Hulk.
Somewhere a French person is commenting on the word duex. Two in French is spelled deux. It's sort of like spelling Zeus, Zues.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWIt’s 8 million zombies in NYC. Black Bolt just destroys the whole city.
It's not talking. He projects energy that way. Vastly destructive energy, but it's not a well without a bottom.He couldn't spam it with no breaks when he was getting sodomized by Thanos. He has limits.
Originally posted by KingD19
https://imgur.com/a/W2nPhMk - Thor doesn't get cut up from the inside out by magical creatures that slice their way out of you when you say their name.
https://imgur.com/a/SyDhYFi - How the creatures work and Thor basically tanked it.
https://imgur.com/a/fmxcjHV - Wolverine can barely cut him going full force.
https://i.imgur.com/06nCmql.jpg - Catches a full force swing from Malekith.
https://i.imgur.com/c46BWoo.jpg - Volstagg shatters his axe on Thor's chest.
https://i.imgur.com/FlC3BKk.jpg - Weapons shattering on his skin.
https://i.imgur.com/ghCNFTb.jpg - Shatters knives by squeezing his hand.How many instance of getting pierced by PIS are there? He has a lot of piercing resistance feats that make that bullet magic or something to have penetrated his helmet and knocked him out like Wolverine in X2. That seems to be a super low showing imo. Especially since people like Wolverine have to put in effort to cut him and Logan could slice through a door that bullet wouldn't even leave a dent in.
Back on topic though, all the punishment Bolt has taken that hasn't split his skin(like Thanos stomping his head into the ground or getting rocked by the Hulk) should make it pretty obvious some low level zombies can't break his skin. Also I mean, he can fly and has full access to New York so he shouldn't really ever be in danger of being surrounded or bitten in the first place.
You're so caught up trying to defend your big blonde husbando that you've let Stilt bait you into arguing irrelevant bullshit.
What you should be sticking to is asking Stilt to show that Black Bolt also has this weakness to "piercing damage".
I've never read an Inhumans story in my entire life so I can't comment on whether or not he does, but don't let yourself get sidetracked into defending the piercing durability of someone who isn't in this thread.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sure, okay, but has he ever done anything like that?Even his *amped* scream against Thanos didn't have such area of effect.
Tunguska.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tunguska.
You beat me to it, but I'll add some context.
The "Tunguska Event" for those who don't know, is an explosion that happened near the Tunguska River in Russia. It was so large it flattened around 80 million trees, over an area of 830 square miles. Scientists said the blast yield was comparable to 10-15 megatons of TNT. In real life an asteroid around 330 feet is the culprit as it airbursted over the area. But Black Bolt did it in Marvel as Kang diverted his scream there to protect his base. To compare, the area of New York City is only 302.6 square miles.
Originally posted by KingD19
You beat me to it, but I'll add some context.The "Tunguska Event" for those who don't know, is an explosion that happened near the Tunguska River in Russia. It was so large it flattened around 80 million trees, over an area of 830 square miles. Scientists said the blast yield was comparable to 10-15 megatons of TNT. In real life an asteroid around 330 feet is the culprit as it airbursted over the area. But Black Bolt did it in Marvel as Kang diverted his scream there to protect his base. To compare, the area of New York City is only 302.6 square miles.
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And that was with a whisper, not a shout, and he can simply just repeat as necessary.
https://imgur.com/a/s2HRb - Black Bolt shattering a billion tons of rocks in an avalanche. It's not hyperbole as Jean describes it as "a billion tons" and she can feel every ounce.
https://imgur.com/a/ElOYL - Despite being several miles high, Black Bolt "speaking" causes earthquakes down on Earth.
https://imgur.com/a/NcaWF - Blows up a huge ship and destroys the buildings underneath it as well.
https://imgur.com/sqTc1nD - Losing control of his voice, Medusa said he could destroy half the planet they were on. And when he speaks into the ground, he causes volcanic eruptions on distant parts of the planet, and he shakes a continent on the other side of the world.
