Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i swear i had a scan of doom negating mutant powers. i thought it was a shield, but i guess i was mistaken--or i can't find it.i think if this were a prepped battle it would be a very different battle, but since nothing is said about prep, i still see cable taking this more often than not. doom faced phoenix once i think and stuck her in some sort of loop to take her out, but i think he'd prepped for that. i think cable just has too much power. he's also created sentinels, but i don't think we can assume he incorporated that tech into his armor unless someone can prove it.
problem with someone like doom is that it's possible he'd have whatever he needed. trying to determine what is standard in his armor is impossible. still, cable was....uber powerful. without something specific prepped in his armor, i just don't see him winning a random encounter most of the time.
Xaxier has his Xaxier Protocols, the Avengers have detailed information on just about every super powered and non super powered vigilante/hero on earth. You don't think that Doom does? Even after showing how easily he took down a random opponent like Nefaria? He pushed one button, and a guy powerful enough to wreck a pretty powerful team of Avengers was neutralized in a second. As I said, it would be out of character for Doom to go in unprepared. The people arguing for Cable are arguing power set. If this was Constatine a character just like Doom when it comes to being prepared was placed in a match versus Cable I'm almost certain that Constatine would be the favorite. To his credit, Doom took the Beyonders powers and that entities power levels shit all over Cable's.
Originally posted by Stoiclol, this is a non-post.
Xaxier has his Xaxier Protocols, the Avengers have detailed information on just about every super powered and non super powered vigilante/hero on earth. You don't think that Doom does? Even after showing how easily he took down a random opponent like Nefaria? He pushed one button, and a guy powerful enough to wreck a pretty powerful team of Avengers was neutralized in a second. As I said, it would be out of character for Doom to go in unprepared. The people arguing for Cable are arguing power set. If this was Constatine a character just like Doom when it comes to being prepared was placed in a match versus Cable I'm almost certain that Constatine would be the favorite. To his credit, Doom took the Beyonders powers and that entities power levels shit all over Cable's.
I'm not arguing power set, I'm just arguing within forum rules. There's no prep here. Doom might carry around an anti-Cable gun built into his armor, but that's on you to prove. Arguing that prep is part of his character doesn't win him this match, it just explains why he could lose on the forum but win in a comic.
God Cable's real edge in this match is that he's well suited for the forum. This is a specific version of Cable that racked up a bunch of feats in a few issues before losing his powers - his only real "low" showing is losing to Surfer, and he was impressive throughout that fight.
Doom's edge is that he has a truckload of feats, so he's got options that Cable has no clear responses for (like Galan mentioned). Otoh, he's also got some relevant low showings:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends how you want to interpret these scans:
IMO you could write a comic where either guy wins - but the full capacity rule just benefits Cable much more. He and Surfer were actively and instantly rebuilding everything that was getting vaporized during their fight - and he was simultaneously using his telepathy, and his tk in various ways (fighting Surfer, levitating Providence, etc).
He's easily capable of very quickly replicating Sue's feat while attacking Doom mentally and physically.
Doom has options, but it's an uphill battle.
A poorly portrayed Doom certainly loses. And you may laugh, but if Susan were out to kill Cable she would probably be successful as well. What about the fact that Doom didn't fight her to the best of his ability since she is after all Valeria's mother? Non post until you begin thinking about it right.
Originally posted by Aakla
Doom has always wanted to defeat the FF with his intellect, if he just wanted them dead they would be dead via magic. This match up would be Doom using everything he had. Unless Doom felt that Cable was beneath him, the he would lose because of his ego by half assing it.
Like when does he ever half ass anything? It's the plot that gets in his way mostly, but besides that, the FF has Reed. Thanos himself has taken note to Doom's brilliance in the past. I'm not saying that Doom is as powerful as Cable Unleashed, what I am saying is that he doesn't need to be because Cable and his powers are public knowledge. For someone like Doom that knowledge is a means to exploit. Like Isaid before, it would be completely OOC for Doom to enter a battle against any well known superhuman unprepared.
Originally posted by h1a8
Couldn't doom BFR cable with magic? Couldn't he transmute him into a table or something? Doesn't doom magic rival Dr. Strange's?
Doom was said to be more powerful than Stephen, but has less control, or not as good at casting spells. Not sure about transmutation, but he was able to capture an entire team of Avengers until Sentry showed up.
Originally posted by carver9
Think it was said on panel that he use 20% of his power to keep the virus in check.
thats what I was speaking about. Ahbi brings up Cables conversation with Xavier, where he mentions that containing the T.O. was an afterthought. But that is an open ended remark.
I would say Cables earlier comment in Soldier X, gives a better idea of how much power is being diverted which lines up with what I posted.
But what hell do I know I am just fanboy. peaches
Originally posted by h1a8
Couldn't doom BFR cable with magic? Couldn't he transmute him into a table or something? Doesn't doom magic rival Dr. Strange's?
Arguments could be made that Cable could follow through with Sue Summers threat in pop Victors dome.
