how powerful would a well written Superman green lantern ion be?
how powerful would a well written Superman green lantern ion (basically a sodam yat Kryptoniano) be? what would be the strongest character he could beat? what if he was sundipped? https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrZtVB7UoVI7alSIEjegURnwNN1p7S8hLJnw&usqp=CAU
Originally posted by DantasKEdc
how powerful would a well written Superman green lantern ion (basically a sodam yat Kryptoniano) be? what would be the strongest character he could beat? what if he was sundipped? https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrZtVB7UoVI7alSIEjegURnwNN1p7S8hLJnw&usqp=CAU
Those types of power ups detract from what Superman is. At his core he's as powerful as he needs to be.
Superman Prime from the 853 century, after having gathered power in the sun for five millennia was revealed to have the last Green Lantern ring.
And he was defeated by the Deadly Sins.
Originally posted by ParmaniacThis version of Superman should be comparable to the variant you're outlining. He's not the only Green Lantern, but he's been in the Sun significantly longer than a dip. Superman Prime is below universe level. We know this because the Seven Deadly Sins are universal, and because he was unable to save Atom's universe.
The best feat I can think of that would arguably scale in some fashion or another is Kal-Kent's and Titano were able to decelerate a moving galaxy with their Force Vision.
And while Superman Prime doesn't have Force Vision, and it's applicability in combat is highly questionable to begin with, Superman Prime is supposed to be more powerful than Kal-Kent. So I wouldn't push galaxy level feats beyond him.
So somewhere in-between galaxy to universe level should be fair.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Those types of power ups detract from what Superman is. At his core he's as powerful as he needs to be.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except even S1M (Golden Supes) didn't have the Ion entity like he has here.....
If we go by Classic Ion then it's a different story. But then Superman's power (sun dipped or not) wouldn't matter--it's be like a droplet in the ocean or a grain of sand in a desert--and at that point he'd just be equal to Classic Ion.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85He didn't really use it to anything specifically impressive, although anything he did he did with trivial ease. He literally warped universe from the comfort of his bedroom.
Classic Ion was pretty universal though right? Was there ever an official explanation for the differing Ion levels?
But the implication, which came from Hal, was that he could do what Parallax did and reset the multiverse.
The problem with giving Superman this power is a bit like handing someone the Infinity Gauntlet, it doesn't matter whether it's Thanos or Black Panther who wields it because their personal powers are fully eclipsed by the power of the Infinity Gems.
Superman would simply become as strong as Classic Ion because his personal powers are insignificant in comparison.
You should probably consult Galan because he probably knows more of this than I. But that's my take.
Originally posted by AstnerThis is a cop-out answer and can be applied to any character. Spider-man is likewise going to be as powerful as he needs to be for the story to be told the way the writer wants to tell it. But that doesn't change the fact that he has well-established limits, just like Superman.
Good rebuttal and normally I'd veer from my previous statement in discussions if not for the precedent that has been set as Superman as an idea, or concept. Spider-Man or anyone else for that matter don't have that theme tied to their character. So unfortunately I'm right.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Those types of power ups detract from what Superman is. At his core he's as powerful as he needs to be.
It's a double-edged sword.
He's also as weak as he needs to be.
If writers want him to be brutally sodomized by Grundy and spend the rest of the comic leaking semen and blood from his anus, that's what will happen.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good rebuttal and normally I'd veer from my previous statement in discussions if not for the precedent that has been set as Superman as an idea, or concept. Spider-Man or anyone else for that matter don't have that theme tied to their character. So unfortunately I'm right.
Not that I think it's relevant because it's not a meaningful attribute in debates. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the manga (or the anime adaption of) One Punch Man, but the premise of the story is that main character, Saitama, is so overpowered that he can defeat anyone with just one punch. He always wins, that's how he's written.
But to push this metafictional conception of the character to argue that he can defeat Superman, Galactus, or the Living Tribunal is questionable to say the least.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you're wrong though. That statement applies to anyone, any main hero. There's numerous of characters that steps out if their tier, occasionally. You're just saying anything.
You're missing the point. This isn't simply a tier jump. It's an outright power limiter being broken by will alone. Sure other characters rise and fall to build tense moments and push the plot but in DC Superman is the plot as he's the fulcrum by which the multiverse swings. I don't see a Spiderman or to a lesser extent a Hulk being that pivotal.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's a double-edged sword.He's also as weak as he needs to be.
If writers want him to be brutally sodomized by Grundy and spend the rest of the comic leaking semen and blood from his anus, that's what will happen.
It is..but blame DCs editorial staff for not setting a hard limit. And sure he's been raped by lesser men but at the end of the day he's not just a super man.. he's Superman. hence his one punch-esque ability to beat anyone. Being legendary has it's perks kinda like Wayne * nods to saint*
Originally posted by Astner
The only one who has pushed this concept of Superman is Morrison, and he hasn't been writing Superman for the last decade. And Bendis' Superman certainly doesn't reflect those qualities.Not that I think it's relevant because it's not a meaningful attribute in debates. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the manga (or the anime adaption of) One Punch Man, but the premise of the story is that main character, Saitama, is so overpowered that he can defeat anyone with just one punch. He always wins, that's how he's written.
But to push this metafictional conception of the character to argue that he can defeat Superman, Galactus, or the Living Tribunal is questionable to say the least.
We go by on panel evidence do we not? I'm not peddling false statements here when it's explicitly shown.
