Originally posted by Astner
Superman Prime from the 853 century, after having gathered power in the sun for five millennia was revealed to have the last Green Lantern ring.And he was defeated by the Deadly Sins.
This version of Superman should be comparable to the variant you're outlining. He's not the only Green Lantern, but he's been in the Sun significantly longer than a dip. Superman Prime is below universe level. We know this because the Seven Deadly Sins are universal, and because he was unable to save Atom's universe.
The best feat I can think of that would arguably scale in some fashion or another is Kal-Kent's and Titano were able to decelerate a moving galaxy with their Force Vision.
And while Superman Prime doesn't have Force Vision, and it's applicability in combat is highly questionable to begin with, Superman Prime is supposed to be more powerful than Kal-Kent. So I wouldn't push galaxy level feats beyond him.
So somewhere in-between galaxy to universe level should be fair.
This is a cop-out answer and can be applied to any character. Spider-man is likewise going to be as powerful as he needs to be for the story to be told the way the writer wants to tell it. But that doesn't change the fact that he has well-established limits, just like Superman.
Superman prime lost because of writer stupidity.
He gained powers from heaven, fought the entire GLC for 50 years and he was amped by thousands of year long sundip. The way he lost was idiotic and then have the seven deadly sins get defeated easily was one of the dumbest piece of writing. From my understanding there are also different versions of prime.
As to, Spider-Man would they have had Spider-Man slug it out with onslaught instead of the hulk? Or use his spiderweb to tie up exitar when he was descending into the earth. Or hold 2 worlds apart until
they brok? We don’t need scans to prove sin has a point here. Spider-Man is only as powerful as he needs to be in his tier.
In all of dc, World Forger thought Superman would be the only one to stop him and he was right, would Spider-Man be thought of in this way if he was in dc? I think not. Could spider man put barbatos to sleep with a single punch?
Destroy a multiverse? Ko a multiversal being with a single punch? Put Spider-Man in “up in the sky” Superman story, would he physically defeat the robotians? Break the chains that are used to haul stars? Fly to the other side of the universe to save a girl while facing off against some of the most powerful beings in the universe? I don’t think so. There is Superman doing thing because he’s Superman. No other character comes close.
This is a job for hulk? Nope, Spider-Man? Nope, galactus? Nope there is only one character that fits when the going gets tough.
Originally posted by Astner
Superman Prime from the 853 century, after having gathered power in the sun for five millennia was revealed to have the last Green Lantern ring.And he was defeated by the Deadly Sins.
This version of Superman should be comparable to the variant you're outlining. He's not the only Green Lantern, but he's been in the Sun significantly longer than a dip. Superman Prime is below universe level. We know this because the Seven Deadly Sins are universal, and because he was unable to save Atom's universe.
The best feat I can think of that would arguably scale in some fashion or another is Kal-Kent's and Titano were able to decelerate a moving galaxy with their Force Vision.
And while Superman Prime doesn't have Force Vision, and it's applicability in combat is highly questionable to begin with, Superman Prime is supposed to be more powerful than Kal-Kent. So I wouldn't push galaxy level feats beyond him.
So somewhere in-between galaxy to universe level should be fair.
This is a cop-out answer and can be applied to any character. Spider-man is likewise going to be as powerful as he needs to be for the story to be told the way the writer wants to tell it. But that doesn't change the fact that he has well-established limits, just like Superman.
Originally posted by Astner
He didn't really use it to anything specifically impressive, although anything he did he did with trivial ease. He literally warped universe from the comfort of his bedroom.But the implication, which came from Hal, was that he could do what Parallax did and reset the multiverse.
The problem with giving Superman this power is a bit like handing someone the Infinity Gauntlet, it doesn't matter whether it's Thanos or Black Panther who wields it because their personal powers are fully eclipsed by the power of the Infinity Gems.
Superman would simply become as strong as Classic Ion because his personal powers are insignificant in comparison.
You should probably consult Galan because he probably knows more of this than I. But that's my take.
Yeah, I was just wondering if there had been a canon explanation as to why 'classic' Ion was so different in power levels - if not, then sure, this thread is about how Superman with his perceptions and character and wisdom etc would fare.
Just like any bog standard GL ring would elevate a normal human into a god, relatively speaking. But Kyle with a ring is different to Guy, who is different to John, to Hal etc.
Or how Hulk with the Power Gem is different to Thanos using it, or Jane Foster with the power of Thor is different to Thor with the power of Thor etc. Their characters and utilisations all differ.
Superman like all heroes would be limited by the enemies he’s fighting. He could be made to be close to the Presence in scope of power, or as powerful as a human.
Story driven are the reasons beings like Richard, one of the most powerful minds in the Marvel doesn’t outright cure all diseases in the known world.
If no one can defeat Superman because he can triumph over all obstacles, why make threads about him at all? I'm not hating, but Superman is argued to be above beings as powerful as the LT even though he struggles with Rogol Zaar, Doomsday, and other random villains of the day. Like look at this post as an example.
Originally posted by SquallX
Superman like all heroes would be limited by the enemies he’s fighting. He could be made to be close to the Presence in scope of power, or as powerful as a human.Story driven are the reasons beings like Richard, one of the most powerful minds in the Marvel doesn’t outright cure all diseases in the known world.
Why would a GL ring do anything other than hamper his abilities? What exactly does it add to him if he can defy reality, death, magic, and even his ultimate nemesis krytonite? I'd imagine it being as useful to him as Vegeta's scouter was for him.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Not really, imo.
I also wondering can god of light hal be qualified as a variation of ion? I mean he basically just someone possesses central battery powers plus infinite knowledge thats granted by mother box
GoL Hal wielded the Mother Ring, which, as you said, combined the infinite power of the CPB with the infinite knowledge of a Mother Box.
While a GL who wields the cumulative power of the CPB technically has access to the same raw/infinite power, they lack the omniscience that GoL possessed ala the Mother Ring... That's a huge difference.
