KMC is a Left Wing echo chamber.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
You think money is a state constructed phenomena and not naturally occurring ? That's an interesting take.

Do you believe in people trading or not ?

The only way to deal with resource scarcity is a price system built on private property, mutual consent, and pricing.

Otherwise what's known as the tragedy of the commons takes place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

Markets are the opposite of statism. Trade = voluntary, statism = territorial monopoly of violence. Diametrically opposite.

If youre a consequentialist then why not look at how when free markets were introduced in the 17th century the overall prosperity of humanity increased.

We also have the USSR vs. america (america IS NOT a free market, but it's freer than the USSR) or the twin experiment of north and south Korea.
It's the same population genetically and yet people from nk are three inches shorter. Then compare gdp per capita of the two.
Nk = 1300
SK = 31,000

Then ask why the big difference. To me the answer is obvious, south Korea has a freer market.

Do you think sk is more evil than nk because people in sk trade more amongst themselves ?

That would be an odd view as well.

Originally posted by Newjak
I like how you think trade is automatically voluntary. As if trade can't be forced by a non-government entity.

Trade = voluntary

If it isn't voluntary, it isn't free trade. It's theft.

Sex = voluntary

If there isn't consent, it's rape.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Trade = voluntary

If it isn't voluntary, it isn't free trade. It's theft.

Sex = voluntary

If there isn't consent, it's rape.

Originally posted by Newjak
So if someone is unconscious and receiving medical treatment to save their lives that is theft?

You wouldn't be mad if you woke up in a bath tub with your kidneys removed ?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
You wouldn't be mad if you woke up in a bath tub with your kidneys removed ?

Originally posted by Newjak
So instead of answering the question you pivot and change the scenario being asked about?

I'm saying consent is important in terms of trade - similar to other areas, and you're making up extenuating medical circumstances.

Some people have DNR orders, so giving them 'life saving medical service' could be against their wishes.

Or what If you give an emergency blood transfusion to a non consenting Jehovah's witness ?

They believe blood transfusions are sinful and avoid them at all costs.

You're really eager to position me as a sophist while constantly giving me weak arguments.

So either deal with the content of what's being discussed and by proxy improve the strength of your arguments, or admit you like to use subtle manipulations, like above quote, to not deal with my contentions.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I'm saying consent is important in terms of trade - similar to other areas, and you're making up extenuating medical circumstances.

Some people have DNR orders, so giving them 'life saving medical service' could be against their wishes.

Or what If you give an emergency blood transfusion to a non consenting Jehovah's witness ?

They believe blood transfusions are sinful and avoid them at all costs.

You're really eager to position me as a sophist while constantly giving me weak arguments.

So either deal with the content of what's being discussed and by proxy improve the strength of your arguments, or admit you like to use subtle manipulations, like above quote, to not deal with my contentions.

Seriously though you say trade must be voluntary in order for it to be trade. All I did was a present a real scenario that happens to many people where trade isn't voluntary but still deemed necessary.

For instance often times you're unconscious and in need of medical treatment your ability to influence that treatment is not voluntary at all. You can't choose an ambulance, you can't choose which hospital you're taken to, you can't choose which treatments are given to you or not.

So the idea that trade is only voluntary therefore immune to the idea of violence is incorrect. I just chose the medical example because I though you would be able to understand it better.

You can also extend this to other things as well. For instance you might say the exchange of food or money/services is voluntary but considering we need food to live there many variables that could force someone to engage in trade for food simply because we can't live without and not all of these variables involve the government either.

You basically just made a no scotsman fallacy for the sake of keeping your argument's foundation intact. No true trade can ever be violent lol

Originally posted by Klaw
All you guys do is agree with each other.

There's no debate, no one challenges each other.

No one grows or discusses other viewpoints.

KMC is no different than other Left wing sites like Reddit or Twitter.

When Trump won there was still a left-wing presence on the site. Apparently 90% of the conservatives on this board, and contrarians like my good friend Dadudemon, are cowards though.

Hey, I admitted to voting for Trump and I'm still here, they don't represent all of us.

Granted, not sure how much of a Trumper I can be past the vote. Had a conversation around the firepit with a friend who also voted, and essentially admitted he had no idea what he was thinking. Couldn't really deny I could relate...

Originally posted by cdtm
Hey, I admitted to voting for Trump and I'm still here, they don't represent all of us.

Granted, not sure how much of a Trumper I can be past the vote. Had a conversation around the firepit with a friend who also voted, and essentially admitted he had no idea what he was thinking. Couldn't really deny I could relate...

If you're pro secession and anti big government it made sense to vote for trump to a degree, but some people went full retard and thought trump was orange jesus

Originally posted by Newjak
I think a delineation using only the economy is a way for conservatives to feel better about being conservative.

I see that left wingers here are just as ignorant as ever. Dude, we don't have to try to "feel better about ourselves" . It comes naturally to us because we aren't the ones who support the murder of unborn children in the name of so-called "women's rights". A true conservative merey wants the god**** government to stay the f*** out of our lives. The only legitimate roles of government are:

1. to protect our God-given, inalienable rights (government does not grant them in a republic, they are only supposed to protect them).

2. To make sure our country and its borders are protected,. Which means having a strong military and border patrol.

3. To punish criminals/evil-doers.

Period.

Social issues? Oh, you mean like how there is an average of 3500 unborn children murdered in this supposedly "Christian" nation every single damn day? We don't shy away from that issue at all. In fact, to a true Conservative, that is THE most pressing issue in this country, even moreso than the 2nd amendment being threatened.

Or when you say "social issues" are you referring to retarded things like men being able to compete in women's sports or BLM neo-marxist bullshit?

Funny, it appears to me that is is those on your side (deranged leftists) who're constantly doing things (virtue-signalling) to try and feel better about yourselves because deep down you all know that your side is on the wrong side of history and no amount of brainwashing the younger generations or trying to rewrite history (for example, claiming that Hitler and his nazi thugs were '"right wing" or the ridiculous claim that the political parties "switched" thereby letting the democrats off the hook for creating the KKK) will ever change that.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
If you're pro secession and anti big government it made sense to vote for trump to a degree, but some people went full retard and thought trump was orange jesus

No Trump supporter I know thought that Trump was some kind of second coming of Jesus Christ lol. Trump is nothing like Jesus. Still, he is not actually evil either as over 99% of democrats are.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
I see that left wingers here are just as ignorant as ever. Dude, we don't have to try to "feel better about ourselves" . It comes naturally to us because we aren't the ones who support the murder of unborn children in the name of so-called "women's rights". A true conservative merey wants the god**** government to stay the f*** out of our lives. The only legitimate roles of government are:

1. to protect our God-given, inalienable rights (government does not grant them in a republic, they are only supposed to protect them).

2. To make sure our country and its borders are protected,. Which means having a strong military and border patrol.

3. To punish criminals/evil-doers.

Period.

Social issues? Oh, you mean like how there is an average of 3500 unborn children murdered in this supposedly "Christian" nation every single damn day? We don't shy away from that issue at all. In fact, to a true Conservative, that is THE most pressing issue in this country, even moreso than the 2nd amendment being threatened.

Or when you say "social issues" are you referring to retarded things like men being able to compete in women's sports or BLM neo-marxist bullshit?

Funny, it appears to me that is is those on your side (deranged leftists) who're constantly doing things (virtue-signalling) to try and feel better about yourselves because deep down you all know that your side is on the wrong side of history and no amount of brainwashing the younger generations or trying to rewrite history (for example, claiming that Hitler and his nazi thugs were '"right wing" or the ridiculous claim that the political parties "switched" thereby letting the democrats off the hook for creating the KKK) will ever change that.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I'm saying consent is important in terms of trade - similar to other areas, and you're making up extenuating medical circumstances.

Some people have DNR orders, so giving them 'life saving medical service' could be against their wishes.

Or what If you give an emergency blood transfusion to a non consenting Jehovah's witness ?

They believe blood transfusions are sinful and avoid them at all costs.

You're really eager to position me as a sophist while constantly giving me weak arguments.

So either deal with the content of what's being discussed and by proxy improve the strength of your arguments, or admit you like to use subtle manipulations, like above quote, to not deal with my contentions.

You're wasting your time. Leftists are never genuinely sincere in any of their arguments. They love to build up strawmen and knock them down and then pretend like they've won because of it. Either that or they'll just scream that you're a racist or nazi then run away lol.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You're wasting your time. Leftists are never genuinely sincere in any of their arguments. They love to build up strawmen and knock them down and then pretend like they've won because of it. Either that or they'll just scream that you're a racist or nazi then run away lol.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This place was a right wing echo chamber the last few years, only makes sense that it becomes left for a while.

You must be trolling because surely you can't be that dumb. I think there may have been a handful of people who were legitimately right wing. That is an insignificant number compared to the number of leftists that have been posting here for a while. This was never a right wing echo chamber... ever.

Welcome back ethneo!

Originally posted by Tzeentch
You're right, it is a left wing echo chamber now. But you have your conservative buttbuddies to blame for that. They talked so much shit in the days leading up to the election that they're too afraid to stay on the site and take their lumps, so they fled.

They were banned.

A fact you people conveniently ignore.

Originally posted by Klaw
They were banned.

A fact you people conveniently ignore.

Two people were banned, just two.

One was banned for extreme toxicity and the other intentionally attacked a mod non-stop, "daring" the mod to ban him, so he could effectively rage-quit KMC and have an excuse. Could say the same about the first.

Originally posted by Klaw
They were banned.

A fact you people conveniently ignore.

Originally posted by Robtard
Two people were banned, just two.

One was banned for extreme toxicity and the other intentionally attacked a mod non-stop, "daring" the mod to ban him, so he could effectively rage-quit KMC and have an excuse. Could say the same about the first.

✅ Bingo!