Originally posted by -Pr-
In Post-Crisis it was literally part of Aquaman's powerset that he got strengthened by water.That's tricky. Sure, if we go by the mediums of air and water, it's obviously easier to throw a punch and move more quickly on land.
But if Aquaman was going to fight anyone, I would argue he'll almost always do better underwater than he would on land. He's faster underwater than most, and his best strength feat is still one that took place underwater. Plus, if post-crisis is still in effect, the constant hydration boost too.
Aquaman’s never really got physical boost by water atleast in the way Superman does in the sun. If that’s what you mean, Aquaman would get weaker if he was away for it too long in the silver age but being adapted to the pressures of the sea is also the explanation to his physicals to explain why he’s so strong and fast on land.
I definitely agree with him probably always doing better under water. I just don’t see a writer claiming he’s stronger or faster underwater than he is out of it. That’s legit a Namor thing that sounds more magical in nature.
I’d argue Aquaman is more powerful underwater than he is on land though. His stamina should practically be never ending, he gets a healing factor, and his most iconic ability works better being underwater which is why I’d say he’s more powerful underwater than on land.
Originally posted by -Pr-
In Post-Crisis it was literally part of Aquaman's powerset that he got strengthened by water.
Yes, but never to the same extent as Namor, who goes Super Saiya-jin from a single drop of water sometimes.
Originally posted by -Pr-
But if Aquaman was going to fight anyone, I would argue he'll almost always do better underwater than he would on land.
Yeah, so would I.
His performance against Superboy is a perfect example of that.
Brutally sodomized on land. Managing to do hundreds of times better in his element.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not being a dick when I ask this, I'm genuinely curious: Has Thor had a lot of fights underwater? Does the lack of a hammer hamper him enough for it to be a problem?
More important does he still have the limitation that if miljnor is away from him he reverts to Blake. Scene recently brought it ùp on another forum so k wasn't sure kf they brought it back
this ****ing forum, i swear to god. ****ing nuked my post.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman’s never really got physical boost by water atleast in the way Superman does in the sun. If that’s what you mean, Aquaman would get weaker if he was away for it too long in the silver age but being adapted to the pressures of the sea is also the explanation to his physicals to explain why he’s so strong and fast on land.I definitely agree with him probably always doing better under water. I just don’t see a writer claiming he’s stronger or faster underwater than he is out of it. That’s legit a Namor thing that sounds more magical in nature.
I’d argue Aquaman is more powerful underwater than he is on land though. His stamina should practically be never ending, he gets a healing factor, and his most iconic ability works better being underwater which is why I’d say he’s more powerful underwater than on land.
I got nuked, so this is more brief:
There's at least one instance of him in Post Crisis where he's used water to boost him/prevent dehydration:
Am I going to pretend that it's like sunlight to Superman? No, not to that extent. But I think it gives a tangible benefit to things like strength, speed, stamina etc.
If I was going to summarise, I'd say this:
I think, on average Aquaman would lose to Wonder Woman on land. Underwater? I think he'd beat her more often than not.
I feel like we agree more than we disagree though. I think the issue a lot of people had was that they just didn't know that Aquaman is still really formidable on land. Peter David made him a telepathic monster, and the N52 and Rebirth shifted things to focus on his physicals. He's, at the very least, a legit mid-herald either way.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, but never to the same extent as Namor, who goes Super Saiya-jin from a single drop of water sometimes.Yeah, so would I.
His performance against Superboy is a perfect example of that.
Brutally sodomized on land. Managing to do hundreds of times better in his element.
I don't know enough about Namor to argue, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
...Well, that didn't last long. **** you.
Had a different scene in mind, but this one is a good example, too:
Originally posted by -Pr-
this ****ing forum, i swear to god. ****ing nuked my post.I got nuked, so this is more brief:
There's at least one instance of him in Post Crisis where he's used water to boost him/prevent dehydration:
Am I going to pretend that it's like sunlight to Superman? No, not to that extent. But I think it gives a tangible benefit to things like strength, speed, stamina etc.
If I was going to summarise, I'd say this:
I think, on average Aquaman would lose to Wonder Woman on land. Underwater? I think he'd beat her more often than not.
I feel like we agree more than we disagree though. I think the issue a lot of people had was that they just didn't know that Aquaman is still really formidable on land. Peter David made him a telepathic monster, and the N52 and Rebirth shifted things to focus on his physicals. He's, at the very least, a legit mid-herald either way.
I don't know enough about Namor to argue, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
...Well, that didn't last long. **** you.
That wasn’t him being necessarily stronger in water, that was him using water to counter his heat/dehydration weakness.
Even before Flashpoint. Geoff Johns was contradicting that scene you just posted, hell he pretty much retconned Aquaman before Flashpoint.
From Brightest Day issue 5. The fire wasn’t depicted as an issue for Aquaman in comparison to the scans you posted.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11124/111244877/8019826-b32aaf5d-892b-4fd4-9029-389a7eb9adea.jpeg
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11124/111244877/8019827-d9b156bf-65b8-4c6b-8fe7-7d4daf26b17c.jpeg
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11124/111244877/8019828-92e1879e-68ad-4efb-9c65-456ff604dea3.jpeg
In regards to PAD, I don’t really think he put too much thought on Aquaman being more powerful underwater either. He’s one of Aquaman’s most iconic writers and I can’t recall even one scene of PAD using Aquaman’s most iconic ability controlling sea life.
He did have Aquaman go to hell, the underworld though and beat the Cerberus a creature the JL has struggled with and that was obviously out of water.
You could find the Cerberus scans in the Cerberus section of this thread. I’m sure you’ve seen the fight Aquaman had with it though.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/aquaman/4005-2357/forums/aquaman-vs-the-gods-2170158/
I could agree with a stamina boost in water and I feel like the scans you posted show that stamina/endurance thing moreso than strength to keep him lifting something he should be able to lift regardless. I think there’s way too many mentions/statements from writers/narration and the character himself to suggest he’s stronger or faster underwater despite portrayal.
The first scan being from PAD himself suggesting Aquaman is quicker on land. I don’t think he can run super fast like to the level of a speedster but his reflexes and perception have been shown to be pretty impressive.
Second scan saying he has lightning fast reflexes because of his underwater adaption. It wouldn’t make sense to say he’s this fast on land because he survives the pressures of the deep than make him even faster underwater.
This is from the Rebirth Guidebook
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Had a different scene in mind, but this one is a good example, too:
Yeah Aquaman doesn’t get a boost like that. I don’t think him having water help him get over heat is comparable to Namor going all Imperiex Rex because a water drop hit him.
The best Aquaman gets is stamina/endurance, healing, sea life control, and some weird exotic powers like feeling the change in ocean pressure or sensing the ocean but he can do that outside the water as well
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not being a dick when I ask this, I'm genuinely curious: Has Thor had a lot of fights underwater? Does the lack of a hammer hamper him enough for it to be a problem?
yes he fought underwater, and he lost his hand in the process. and before that he got smacked around by his own hammer.
Originally posted by Stoic
He has also spoken in space. When he and Galactus had a run-in with Scrier, he spoke the entire time.
