Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, I'm not even remotely close to far left.
You are a Bernie supporter; you support socialism. That is not a moderate position lol. You are certainly closer to the far left than you are the center. The fact you may call it "democratic socialism" doesn't make you a moderate. It's still socialism, ffs.
I think Klaw's rankings were pretty spot-on for the most part with perhaps a few, slight inaccuracies.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You are a Bernie supporter; you support socialism. That is not a moderate position lol. You are certainly closer to the far left than you are the center. The fact you may call it "democratic socialism" doesn't make you a moderate. It's still socialism, ffs.I think Klaw's rankings were pretty spot-on for the most part with perhaps a few, slight inaccuracies.
I never claimed to support every one of his policies either, nor am I a socialist. Do you not get tired of being wrong so often?
In America I'd be considered more left than I would in Ireland or Europe. I live in Ireland. I vote in Irish elections. So that makes me closer to the centre than the left.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
The fact you may call it "democratic socialism" doesn't make you a moderate. It's still socialism, ffs.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's the opposite. The fact that demsocs call themselves socialists doesn't magically make their platform a socialist one. There's hardly anything that they propose that doesn't already exist in the Scandinavian countries, and like you've said time and again, those are still capitalist countries.
You couldn't be more wrong. They push actual socialist policies like the Green New Deal bs(actually, that is probably more communist than it is socialist). They all support open borders and they wanna give all kinds of free shit to illegals. They talk shit about free market capitalism on a routine basis. They are constantly pushing for a UBI. They push that neomarxist critical race theory BS and BLM lies. They support the communist Antifa thugs and praise them as if they are heroes lol.
The tactics they are using to attack and silence conservatives mirror what the communists did in Mao's China and Stalin's Soviet Union and even what Hitler's Nazis did and yet they pretend they are fighting fascism lol. Some Bernie staffers are even on record saying that conservatives should be "re-educated" n gulags. Only thing they haven't tried to do yet that the biggest commie dictators in history have done is outright kill us. Kinda hard to do when we are all still armed though which is why they are pushing so hard for more gun control constantly.
Sorry, dude, but they are socialist/communist no matter how much you wanna deny it and calling themselves "democratic socialists" does not make what they are pushing any less disgusting or socialist/communist.
You can leep lying to yourself all you like. I could go on and on about more policies they support that're also socialist in nature.
Our country is doomed. Even if we stop them from rigging election again in 2024 and get a strong right-leaning person elected as potus and win back the House and keep the Senate it would still be too late. The damage done by the left/democrats since Trump was cheated out of his re-election would be irreversible.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaenutty
Our country is doomed. Even if we stop them from rigging election again in 2024 and get a strong right-leaning person elected as potus and win back the House and keep the Senate it would still be too late. The damage done by the left/democrats since Trump was cheated out of his re-election would be irreversible.
My takeaway from this thread is that nobody agrees on how to define different political positions, lol
I am fine being considered far left though, despite not liking any modern far-left movements. My various political positions overall do add up to a form of left-anarchism similar to that espoused by Bakunin. That said, I still identify politically as a Pessimist.
This thread highlights a lot about conservative American politics.
They like to redefine and move goalposts to evoke emotional responses in their base. A lot of conservatives in this country believe that desiring universal healthcare, guaranteed fair wages, and listening to science put you on the extreme left. It's all a way to make their own radical ideas feel more normal.
When in truth most of this stuff hasn't been radical left for decades in other countries and shouldn't be here.
Originally posted by Newjaklike creationists who try to preach evolution is a religion, then pray to Yahweh… 😔
This thread highlights a lot about conservative American politics.They like to redefine and move goalposts to evoke emotional responses in their base. A lot of conservatives in this country believe that desiring universal healthcare, guaranteed fair wages, and listening to science put you on the extreme left. It's all a way to make their own radical ideas feel more normal.
When in truth most of this stuff hasn't been radical left for decades in other countries and shouldn't be here.
Originally posted by NewjakThis is so true. I believe in Unions, Cooperatives, the welfare state, taxation, Equity rather than equality as some people need more. But, I also see a need for controlled markets, solid manufacturing, public works programs, a fair days pay for a day's hard work. I believe in overseas aid, raising others up and providing opportunity. I believe in challenging prejudice and putting Education at the forefront. I believe in secularism and religious tolerance. A separation of the judiciary and Government. Religion should not be involved in policy, belief systems are not Science and the military serves a number of purposes that cannot be done away with. The accountability of power structures is key in my beliefs. The power of the people are my watchwords Demos Kratos!
This thread highlights a lot about conservative American politics.They like to redefine and move goalposts to evoke emotional responses in their base. A lot of conservatives in this country believe that desiring universal healthcare, guaranteed fair wages, and listening to science put you on the extreme left. It's all a way to make their own radical ideas feel more normal.
When in truth most of this stuff hasn't been radical left for decades in other countries and shouldn't be here.