Originally posted by carver9
Superman haven't used any of those shenanigans you're mentioning, recently. Stop taking the desperate approach. The only reason I mentioned Superman is because when I posted showings of Magician, your response was "Superman speed blitz". What did you expect me to say after that? If Superman attempts to blitz him, why would Magician attack Surfer or Sentry? 🤔🤔🤔
Why wouldn't Sentry attack Magician? Surfer? Remember, they all know each other's powers, why wouldn't a reality warper (Sentry) see another reality warper (Magician) as a threat?
I don't care about recently. It's all canon. You don't like it, as OP you can handicap Superman as you want, it's your thread.
You mentioned Superman blitzing Magician, I didn't. He blitz Magician and forget who he is blitzing and gets koed by his own duplicate.
Did the mods put in the rules that precrisis fts are available to Superman because he's been ktfo recently and I don't think we just wipe these showings clear just because you think he is precrisis level.
Originally posted by carver9
You mentioned Superman blitzing Magician, I didn't. He blitz Magician and forget who he is blitzing and gets koed by his own duplicate.Did the mods put in the rules that precrisis fts are available to Superman because he's been ktfo recently and I don't think we just wipe these showings clear just because you think he is precrisis level.
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman told Jon about all of his previous encounters with Mxy in AC #975 (2017):And as you can see in the above artwork, his stories included their very first encounter in Superman v1 #30 (1944):
So even before the "everything is canon" concept that Death Metal is going to introduce, Superman still evidently had full knowledge of his Golden Age past.
Originally posted by carver9
Sentry will be attacking other opponents because he won't even know Magician is there and he will be getting manipulated.
Wait why wouldn't he know? Why wouldn't Surfer know (Surfer is still intangible, btw, unless they've explained KiB)?
I know you just want to wank Magician. But considering Supes (as an example off the top of my head) can see souls (which Magician doesn't have any showings of hiding), Surfer has TP that hides things from Galactus, and can hide from Eternity etc etc, the onus is on you to prove that 'recreating Blob' is somehow = to recreating dupes of these guys.
I mean, what is his limit? Can he recreate TOAA? TOBA? Black Winter? Cosmic Thor?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What are Surfer's best sensing feats in combat,? Magician? BRB?I do like how they all gang up on Supes though.
It doesn't matter tbh. Time travel to some is just the ability to move faster than others.
Superman may actually be matched by the Sentry. I say may, because I don't recall any hard speed limits given to him. It was stated that he lives several seconds in the future though.
Superman is probably fast enough to beat the Magician from the start of the match unless the Magician automatically casts an illusion as soon as the match begins? It seems plausible, just saying. If successful, the illusion would likely affect every character on the battlefield equally.
The Power Cosmic has power over natural organic lifeforms because of their bioelectric signature. This is something that only occurs when he is written correctly. Most, if not all versions of the Sentry, would murder the Surfer. The Power Cosmic has no effect on him, because the Sentry isn't a natural organic lifeform. The Molecule Man mentions this. It's also the reason that Terrax was helpless before him.
Superman is a natural organic lifeform, which is the complete opposite of the Sentry; who is basically just a living toon. Even his molecules are foreign to the ones in reality. The Surfer can hitch a ride on any bioelectric signature because of the Power Cosmic. Superman is a living solar sponge, just like the Hulk is a living gamma sponge. We've all seen the results of how that went down.
Which brings up the question. Which version of the Sentry is this? Merged? Pre-Merged? Death-Seed? Voidtry? They're all just figments of Bob's imagination come to life. He has no real control over what episode comes next either, due to his condition. I can't see the Surfer doing very well against any of the versions of Sentry. Some would rape him worse than others, but they'd all beat the shit out of him.
Bill would go out like a light. Superman would punish Bill for a quick to us, eternity for him beat-down. Even Gladiator would beat the shit out of Bill, and Gladiator is inferior to Superman.
Can Superman detect the Magician by seeing through his illusion?
Pretty interesting matchups.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait why wouldn't he know? Why wouldn't Surfer know (Surfer is still intangible, btw, unless they've explained KiB)?I know you just want to wank Magician. But considering Supes (as an example off the top of my head) can see souls (which Magician doesn't have any showings of hiding), Surfer has TP that hides things from Galactus, and can hide from Eternity etc etc, the onus is on you to prove that 'recreating Blob' is somehow = to recreating dupes of these guys.
I mean, what is his limit? Can he recreate TOAA? TOBA? Black Winter? Cosmic Thor?
Those are really good points.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait why wouldn't he know? Why wouldn't Surfer know (Surfer is still intangible, btw, unless they've explained KiB)?I know you just want to wank Magician. But considering Supes (as an example off the top of my head) can see souls (which Magician doesn't have any showings of hiding), Surfer has TP that hides things from Galactus, and can hide from Eternity etc etc, the onus is on you to prove that 'recreating Blob' is somehow = to recreating dupes of these guys.
I mean, what is his limit? Can he recreate TOAA? TOBA? Black Winter? Cosmic Thor?
I already posted scans. Xavier said it was as if he disappeared from existence even though he was in Xavier back yard.
If Charles can't detect him, Surfer, Superman nor Sentry is detecting him. He was manipulating Charles and the Xmen, easily and again, Superman have recently been controlled...
https://ibb.co/vqP2hSQ
https://ibb.co/9wpFzq0
He gets manipulated. Also, why do you have everyone attacking Magician? Wouldn't that be like the most dangerous approach? Focusing all of your attention on one person that you won't find?
Originally posted by carver9
I already posted scans. Xavier said it was as if he disappeared from existence even though he was in Xavier back yard.If Charles can't detect him, Surfer, Superman nor Sentry is detecting him. He was manipulating Charles and the Xmen, easily and again, Superman have recently been controlled...
https://ibb.co/vqP2hSQ
https://ibb.co/9wpFzq0He gets manipulated. Also, why do you have everyone attacking Magician? Wouldn't that be like the most dangerous approach? Focusing all of your attention on one person that you won't find?
Superman can see souls:
https://imgur.com/a/LTFcw
Surfer:
https://i.imgur.com/aVrOoNc.jpg
Sentry can track auras:
If you want to assert that Magician can hide from them, onus is on you to prove it. Just because Ultimate Prof X couldn't detect him, doesn't mean these guys can't.
I am not necessarily saying all these guys attack Magician. It is a free-for-all, after all, only one of them can exit. But they all know each other's powers, but Magician is hampered by coming from a crappy universe, and doesn't have the feats to compare against these guys.
Originally posted by carver9
Also, his powers are ALWAYS active. Reality warps around him. His powers provides him with whatever he wants. I feel confident a blitz isn't what he wants...
Reality warps around him. His powers provides him with whatever he wants.
What reality resistant fts does anyone have here?
Originally posted by carver9
Reality warps around him. His powers provides him with whatever he wants.What reality resistant fts does anyone have here?
Superman against Dominus:
https://imgur.com/a/z0yvm
Surfer against reality:
https://i.imgur.com/CRHsQJK.jpg
Sentry...well, I believe he fought a guy called Molecule Man once. A guy whose feats poop all over Magician and 'creating the Blob', lol.
But sure, don't go down this tangent - I know you are avoiding the question:
So again, I ask you - PROVE MAGICIAN CAN HIDE FROM THEM. Hiding from Ultimate Prof X =/= hiding from these guys. I think you need to remember who Sentry et al are.
Sentry, remember, MINDWIPED THE ENTIRETY OF 616 MARVEL from remembering him.
And I am not even getting into Pre-Crisis stuff here, lol. I mean, I can....
