Originally posted by Impediment
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-indigenous-children-school-bodies-unmarked-graves-2021-06-30/?fbclid=IwAR1ydzwuBSV_EKIhKaSSjgdHvXyyhc5kgYItU1WR4SGzQVVFAgUwuIvd9X8&ftag=CNM-16-10abd6gAbsolutely sickening.
Seriously. F*ck religion.
I read an article about this the other day. Insane. How much disgusting criminal behavior does the Catholic church have to do for people to finally give it up?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Right, it has, and yet I've seen it mentioned that a lot of the suggestions/plans put forth weren't actually enacted, and Trudeau has continued to drag his feet on the subject. Maybe I'm operating on outdated information, I don't know.If Trudeau did say that, that's something at least.
TBH, I don't think it's about reparations as much as examining the damage done to the people that have been treated pretty badly for a really long time. Then doing something about it.
That may be the intent.
But for the lawyers. I've come to strongly believe it is lawyers who are behind the root of all evil, because their very profession is based on tortured twisting of intent, and seeking monetary compensation.
And many many politicians happen to have backgrounds in law.
Originally posted by cdtm
That may be the intent.But for the lawyers. I've come to strongly believe it is lawyers who are behind the root of all evil, because their very profession is based on tortured twisting of intent, and seeking monetary compensation.
And many many politicians happen to have backgrounds in law.
Okay. That may all be true, but that doesn't mean that a lot of First Nations people don't face widespread discrimination and mistreatment in Canada. They're not all angels by any means, not remotely, but nobody deserves what happened to them in those churches/schools.
Honestly, I have no idea what the right answer is....but the Canadian government should make every earnest effort to determine the causes of death and try to find if any of the found remains have surviving family members.
Trudeau mentioned that it should be up the indigenous communities on how to proceed, which I think is a good idea.
Originally posted by cdtm
Reparations are bollocks imo.The people alive today paying for crimes they had no part in, and possibly happened before they were born or immigrated into the nation for?
It's all money grabs. People with their hands out because they're blood related to someone they never even met, or possibly had no ties at all beyond their ethnic/racial affiliation.
Yeah, it' retarded (as most left wing causes are) to make those who're alive today pay for what their ancestors did over 160 years ago or even longer ago than that if we are talking about the poor, poor native Americans who were conquered by a superior and much more technological advanced foe.
F*** reparations. If we start going down that path then where will it end? White people have been on the receiving end of horrible things as well. So will white people receive reparations because of any sufffering our ancestors endure? What about white people today that have wrong things done to them? Leftists have this retarded belief that white people have always been the oppressors and never the oppressed.
Just look at what is hapening to white farmers in South Africa today. They are having their land taken away without compensation and in many cases are even being killed while the racist South African government does jacksquat about it.
Hell, I guess protestants should receive reparations from the Roman Catholic Church for all the protestant blood that has been wrongly spilled by the RCC as well.
What about Christians in general (of all colors) who have gone thru persecution? Will they get reparations too? What about all the people who have suffered under the yoke of communism or socialism? Will they be compensated? What about specific individuals who have had their Constitutional rights be violated and the courts did nothing about it? Will they get reparations?
I could go on and on and on.... if we start going down the path of trying to right every wrong that has heen committed throughout history it will never end.
Originally posted by ares834
Isn't one of the main Christian doctrines about paying for the sins of our ancestors? I believe it's called: Original Sin.
No, we would be guilty of sinning ourselves. Adam and Eve's original sin just gave us a sinful nature. We inherited that. Fortunately, the blood of Jesus Christ washes away all of our sins for those who accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior.
Originally posted by cdtmAre they though?
Reparations are bollocks imo.The people alive today paying for crimes they had no part in, and possibly happened before they were born or immigrated into the nation for?
It's all money grabs. People with their hands out because they're blood related to someone they never even met, or possibly had no ties at all beyond their ethnic/racial affiliation.
Especially if the issues your ancestors faced have caused your people today to still face hardships or miss out on opportunities?
There is some truth to that @Blakemore
But it gets a little trickier when you realize that just of the color of your skin in the after slavery eras could drastically effect your ability to thrive in this country.
It's been well documented how racial minorities were far less likely to get higher paying jobs/mortgages for housing in suburban areas all because of the the color of their skin.
I also think we'll need to look at reparations for the war on drug victims in this country when we finally let them out of prison.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
No, we would be guilty of sinning ourselves. Adam and Eve's original sin just gave us a sinful nature. We inherited that. Fortunately, the blood of Jesus Christ washes away all of our sins for those who accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior.
So you believe babies are born sinful?
What about women's periods and childbirth? Do you believe that is punishment for Eve's original sin?
Asking out of curiosity, not to have a go.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Honestly, I have no idea what the right answer is....but the Canadian government should make every earnest effort to determine the causes of death and try to find if any of the found remains have surviving family members.Trudeau mentioned that it should be up the indigenous communities on how to proceed, which I think is a good idea.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
I speak proudly about the virtues of my country, but I am well aware of our shameful treatment of Aboriginals that isn't really something of the past. They get targeted by the police for abuse and death more than any other group up here, it seems.
But even knowing how bad the residential school system was, these mass grave sites have shocked me. It wasn't enough to forcibly take them from their homes and literally whitewash them. All this death in the name of the church and our system? I feel revulsion.
Originally posted by roughrider
I speak proudly about the virtues of my country, but I am well aware of our shameful treatment of Aboriginals that isn't really something of the past. They get targeted by the police for abuse and death more than any other group up here, it seems.But even knowing how bad the residential school system was, these mass grave sites have shocked me. It wasn't enough to forcibly take them from their homes and literally whitewash them. All this death in the name of the church and our system? I feel revulsion.
Because there was never any atrocity until white man came along. Native Americans never slaughtered each other, captured slaves, subjected their women to acts that would be considered abominable today..
Noticing the splinter in your eye while ignoring the plank in ours is the liberal way, it seems.
But it gets a little trickier when you realize that just of the color of your skin in the after slavery eras could drastically effect your ability to thrive in this country.
That's an interesting statement but I doubt that your ability to thrive in this country from anywhere in the 2k onward (to be generous) has anything to do with your skin color.
Present your data.