Aquaman vs Big Barda

Originally posted by cdtm
I'll just add, this "weak Byrne" Superman gave Darkseid a shellacking, and this same Darkseid was able to one shot heralds like Guy Gardner or Lobo.

It’s not necessarily all on who you fight though. But the level the writer has you operating at is what I bringing into question. There’s writers who cap characters like Superman, Thor and Hulk at town/mountain level because they think feats like destroying a mountain is high tier. There’s writers that would have Hulk and Thor struggle with the military when they have feats that should make it impossible for the military to hurt them.

My issue is if Superman is going around getting knocked out by gas station explosions under the same writer who has Barda knock him out by the Mega Rod how impressive or what level is the mega Rod operating at.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It’s not necessarily all on who you fight though. But the level the writer has you operating at is what I bringing into question. There’s writers who cap characters like Superman, Thor and Hulk at town/mountain level because they think feats like destroying a mountain is high tier. There’s writers that would have Hulk and Thor struggle with the military when they have feats that should make it impossible for the military to hurt them.

My issue is if Superman is going around getting knocked out by gas station explosions under the same writer who has Barda knock him out by the Mega Rod how impressive or what level is the mega Rod operating at.

This was all under Bynre though. Byrne decided to write Barda two shot KOing Superman, and Byrne had Superman beat Darkseid down.

And Byrne was the authority of the 90's on the New Gods, as he was the writer for Jack Kirby's Fourth World.

Originally posted by carver9
Sin, who's winning this

Originally posted by cdtm
This was all under Bynre though. Byrne decided to write Barda two shot KOing Superman, and Byrne had Superman beat Darkseid down.

And Byrne was the authority of the 90's on the New Gods, as he was the writer for Jack Kirby's Fourth World.

That’s my issue though. Regardless of who Superman fought my issue was his actual personal feats during that era. I’d imagine Darkseid wouldn’t be that impressive either. There’s a writer who had Darkseid get mugged.

Based off the scaling logic here. You guys would legitimately argue the same Muggers would mug Aquaman because of Darkseid’s better showings. It shouldnt work like that lol.

Barda takes both rounds.

Lets say strength is a wash
Whos more skilled?
Who has the better weapon (reach and damage output)?

Originally posted by beatboks
Round 1 Arthur
Round 2 Barda, mega rod has a lot more capability than any trident Arthur uses (even when he had Poisiden's trident

Originally posted by beatboks
Round 1 Arthur
Round 2 Barda, mega rod has a lot more capability than any trident Arthur uses (even when he had Poisiden's trident

Given BFR is off what’s the Megarod suppose to do to take Aquaman out?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Given BFR is off what’s the Megarod suppose to do to take Aquaman out?

Well, if she comes into this fight serious and lubes the rod up, he'd experience a whole lot of soreness.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well, if she comes into this fight serious and lubes the rod up, he'd experience a whole lot of soreness.

He hangs out with a lovecraftian sized Octopus 🐙 the hell is the megarod suppose to do compared to that

https://youtu.be/pZo9OVR9tqk

What an awful morning to have eyes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
What an awful morning to have eyes.

As a mod, you can't put on sunglasses, unfortunately.

Given BFR is off what’s the Megarod suppose to do to take Aquaman out?

1.The Megarod can create shields that would make all Aquaman's physical attacks non events.

2. It allows her to phase thru attacks she hasn't shielded from

3. The Megarod brainwashes the user to be a Warrior for Darksied so she has overcome that mental control.

4. She also has a motherbox that protects from mental attacks also.

5. Never-ending the fact that the rod allows her to manipulate gravitational fields. Arthur might not even be able to reach her.

Even if it couldn't harm him (which it can) in a PIS free fight it precludes him harming her (hich sort of makes it impossible for him to win)

And once again it one shots Matrix Supergirl who on averages has greater durability than Arthur.

Any lowballing of two shooting Supes Aside Matrix's durability feats of the time don't have a low ball you can hang off. The mear fact that it took a double shot to take down supes of the DOS era is confirmation that he was not at the lowball bs you try to quote to lower averages. That showing places him at double the durability of Matrix by scaling.

But

Blah blah blah Aquaman beats every more versatile character in his weight class and some other above because I'm a fanboy

Originally posted by beatboks
1.The Megarod can create shields that would make all Aquaman's physical attacks non events.

2. It allows her to phase thru attacks she hasn't shielded from

3. The Megarod brainwashes the user to be a Warrior for Darksied so she has overcome that mental control.

4. She also has a motherbox that protects from mental attacks also.

5. Never-ending the fact that the rod allows her to manipulate gravitational fields. Arthur might not even be able to reach her.

Even if it couldn't harm him (which it can) in a PIS free fight it precludes him harming her (hich sort of makes it impossible for him to win)

And once again it one shots Matrix Supergirl who on averages has greater durability than Arthur.

Any lowballing of two shooting Supes Aside Matrix's durability feats of the time don't have a low ball you can hang off. The mear fact that it took a double shot to take down supes of the DOS era is confirmation that he was not at the lowball bs you try to quote to lower averages. That showing places him at double the durability of Matrix by scaling.

But

Blah blah blah Aquaman beats every more versatile character in his weight class and some other above because I'm a fanboy

1.) These shields have feats to prevent the trident from breaking through? Because I’ll hold my judgement but every version of the trident has some insane piercing feats. Whether it be an Imperiex Probe, Darkseid or an Enhanced Kryptonian

2.) I looked through Barda’s Reddit thread and I didn’t come across the phasing? I’ll admit that would be hard for Aquaman to counter if she opts to it. But I’d like to also see her using it in combat if you have scans

3.) I don’t think I argued a TP win for Aquaman? I don’t see the Megarod tping any main cannon version of Aquaman with the exception of maybe Golden Age and New52 if that’s what your implying

4.) Not arguing a tp win but I’ve yet to honestly see the New Gods use their motherbox to protect them from Telepathy.

5.) Arthur has fought gravity manipulators before and people who’ve opted to throwing him around in some form or another.

The attitude is unnecessary mate. I’m not even coming at you hostile. Learn to take criticism. I don’t follow and have never followed Matrix Supergirl. So I don’t see why that should wow me. pre DOS Superman was pretty lackluster though and piggybacking off him isn’t really much of a good argument to make. I’d imagine most modern versions of Superman Post-Ressurection onwards at a standard power level people would put above Barda as well. Which Barda consistently is peers with Diana in most areas.

She can separate him from his trident before putting a ff around him to contain him. She can do this by porting it out of his reach or making it heavy and fall to the ground when he uses it. No BFR doesn't preclude moving things within the battlefield

Yes she can phase with it. I dont read much of Barda but I've seen her do so about 4 times from memory.

Tp was a win condition I considered for both fights but discounted in a fully armed battle more because of the MB than the MB

It's protected New gods from Arion's TP and DS's.

It's the versatility I'm giving the win to not a single method. It allows for more counters if something fails. Throw a FF around Arthur, the trident breaks it, bFR the trident a few hundred feet either by porting it or gravity manip. Bang incapacitated. An attack got closer despite all those things phase thru it, post out of its way and blinding your opponent from behind with an energy blast.

Matrix has been hurt but not put down by pre Crisis Supergirls heat issuing. She also TKOd PC SG with a sucker punch. The girl is stronger than Arthur with TK on MMHs level plus a shape shifter that can regenerate nd reform almost instantly but was taken down by a open front on blast of the MR.

I didn't feel any aggression or attitude when I posted sorry if it felt that way but when I see people repeating the same failed argument against evidence I just assume they will never change their stance and for you on Aquaman I've bow seen it in quite a few threads I'm convinced you'd choose him in an Aquaman vs Spectre thread

Originally posted by beatboks
She can separate him from his trident before putting a ff around him to contain him. She can do this by porting it out of his reach or making it heavy and fall to the ground when he uses it. No BFR doesn't preclude moving things within the battlefield

Yes she can phase with it. I dont read much of Barda but I've seen her do so about 4 times from memory.

Tp was a win condition I considered for both fights but discounted in a fully armed battle more because of the MB than the MB

It's protected New gods from Arion's TP and DS's.

It's the versatility I'm giving the win to not a single method. It allows for more counters if something fails. Throw a FF around Arthur, the trident breaks it, bFR the trident a few hundred feet either by porting it or gravity manip. Bang incapacitated. An attack got closer despite all those things phase thru it, post out of its way and blinding your opponent from behind with an energy blast.

Matrix has been hurt but not put down by pre Crisis Supergirls heat issuing. She also TKOd PC SG with a sucker punch. The girl is stronger than Arthur with TK on MMHs level plus a shape shifter that can regenerate nd reform almost instantly but was taken down by a open front on blast of the MR.

I didn't feel any aggression or attitude when I posted sorry if it felt that way but when I see people repeating the same failed argument against evidence I just assume they will never change their stance and for you on Aquaman I've bow seen it in quite a few threads I'm convinced you'd choose him in an Aquaman vs Spectre thread

You’re making claims without showing scans for anything and calling my argument a failed argument. It’s a bit contradictory. Show her using BFR in the way you mention. Show her using phasing in the way your talking about. I get arguing abilities but battle forums are about what the characters will do in a fight not can do and this is by no disrespect but I’m not taking your word on any of it. You don’t just post and expect that. The point of feats is to back up Youre claims and you yet to showcase anything but statements which you back with statements of questionable scaling.

I could one off the Matrix instance by bringing up the fact Aquaman took a prolonged attack from Starro which oneshotted Orion. Or physically Beat around Despero after Despero was physically beating around J’onn. Aquaman has that kind of scaling without jumping through different eras and multiple writers.

It’s a bit contradictory. Show her using BFR in the way you mention. Show her using phasing in the way your talking about. I get arguing abilities but battle forums are about what the characters will do in a fight not can do

When stipulations in a battle remove one of the frequently used methods of a character that is no longer the case. The fact is Barda uses BFR 15 to 20% of the time. More when she's facing an opponent that she has or is expecting trouble with. Taking away her go to move makes the ability to do so acceptable within the limits allowed. Barda can still use porting via the megarod or the MB to constantly move Arthur to the edge of the battlefield (ergo not BFR)

Matrix instance by bringing up the fact Aquaman took a prolonged attack from Starro which oneshotted Orion.

Orion's durability <<< Matrix Supergirl. He isn't even impervious, his durability is dependant on his ability to take pain and regenerate.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11122/111223820/5600840-1399969817-30400.jpg

Matrix feats
Punching Supes (not BYRNE era)
https://m.imgur.com/DqGEgMe

KOing PC Supergirl
https://m.imgur.com/yooL9Hg

Not even phased by millions of speedsters punches
https://m.imgur.com/qEYDbOs
(This one would have dropped Orion easily)

Hit by but not seriously damaged by PC Supergirls heat vision
https://imgur.com/iVMuMB7

Matrix has Kryptonian strength, Speed, durability etc plus MMH level TK, shape shifting and regeneration. Her TK has even staggered Mxy

https://imgur.com/fBSf7lh

Your counters to the Matrix one shot are a joke, so are the low balling of 2 shooting Superman but what ever. You'll only ignore the evidence (like you did my fist lot as you've done in every other thread I've offered any which is why I normally don't give you any. There is absolutely no point. You just make up your own rules why something is invalid and keep going.

Tomorrow I'll make an Aquaman vs Spectre or Dr Fate or some such thread for you to post in

Barda is also willing to do what is needed to win - for her, the honour is in the winning.

So saying what she would or wouldn't do, to me, is kinda moot. Like having Constantine or Loki or someone similar in a thread - if they can or need to cheat and bend the rules, they'll do so.

Barda could be Aunt May level... she is facing Aquaman here, ffs, not some actual threat.