Yeah but also its idiotic trying to prove Christians are better by comparing Christians living in the developed world to third world country Muslims
Why not compare like for like when claiming superiority? So American Muslims to American Christians. Or the Lords Resistance Army to the Taliban.
All that said George Bush still invaded Afghanistan and Iraq in the name of Christianity.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/11/world/europe/afghanistan-women-burqas.html
At Pro-Taliban Protest, a Symbol of America’s Lost Influence: Faces Obscured by Veils
Several hundred women wore the head-to-toe garments at a pro-Taliban demonstration on Sept. 11. The march was a reminder of how after years of war, Afghanistan’s women are again at the mercy of the militants.A Taliban fighter stands guard while women, many wearing burqas, march in support of the Taliban in Kabul on Saturday.
A Taliban fighter stands guard while women, many wearing burqas, march in support of the Taliban in Kabul on Saturday.Credit...Victor J. Blue for The New York Times
By Melissa Eddy and Victor J. Blue
Published Sept. 11, 2021
Updated Sept. 12, 2021
Hundreds of women, many wearing full-length robes, their faces obscured by black veils, filled the auditorium of a Kabul university on Saturday holding signs — many of them in English — in support of the Taliban and its strict interpretation of Islam, including separate education for men and women.The Taliban said the demonstration at Shaheed Rabbani Education University, which followed anti-Taliban protests last week by Afghan women demanding equal rights, was organized by female university lecturers and students.
Reporters on the street near Saturday’s march were kept away from the protesters by Taliban fighters armed with automatic rifles and were not allowed to speak with any of the women. Later attempts to reach the participants through social media or the university went unanswered.
The demonstration, held on the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, served as a stark reminder of how despite two decades and more than $780 million spent promoting women's rights, after the departure of American forces last month, the women of Afghanistan could be thrown back decades, if not centuries.
When the Taliban governed Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, it barred women and girls from holding most jobs and going to school, and practically made them prisoners in their own homes. In public, women were forced to wear the burqa, a tentlike garment that covers them from head to toe, with a crocheted mesh grill over the eyes. Its use to erase the appearance of women from public life was seen in the West as a symbol of Taliban oppression.
No Christian majority nation on earth is like this.
And I like how they claim the women themselves organized the counter protest, yet armed Taliban fighters won't allow anyone to talk with them, reporters are held back, and no one can contact them on social media.
It makes it questionable whether they are willing participants.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but Bush specifically claimed that God told him to invade. And he said that as a Christian.
On a bloody crusade of conquest?
Are we just going to ignore how big of an event 9/11 was, or ignore current events with the Taliban?
If you want to fight terrorism, one method is shutting down safe harbors. And yes, this could mean military pressure on countries that give them safe harbor.
That was what Bush intended from the start, to flush out terrorist networks by taking out their allies.
Call it extreme or unjustified, but they did succeed in a horrific attack against a major power, and for all we knew there were many more coming. And countries like Iraq certainly would have been a threat with arms, and could have attacked.
Blame the terrorists for stirring up the hornets nest.
Originally posted by cdtmNo Christian majority nation on earth is like this.
Again you're trying to show Christians to be superior. Do you really think the Lord's Resistance Army are better than the Taliban? Also I'm not aware of a Christian nation that's been bombed and war torn as much as Afghanistan has.
As for the Burqa's, yes that's a part of muslim culture that isn't in Christianity. Although you'd be hard pressed to find evidence that the full Burqa is orthodox Islam. Most practising muslim women tend to wear either Hijab, or Hijab with a face veil. Hijab on it's own isn't really very different to how Nun's dress or even how Orthodox Jewish women are supposed to cover their hair.
Originally posted by cdtm
On a bloody crusade of conquest?
That's certainly how it seems, yeah.
Originally posted by cdtm
Are we just going to ignore how big of an event 9/11 was, or ignore current events with the Taliban?
Funny because not 1 Afghan was on those planes.
Originally posted by cdtm
If you want to fight terrorism, one method is shutting down safe harbors. And yes, this could mean military pressure on countries that give them safe harbor.
It wasn't pressure, it was an outright invasion with no room for negotiation.
Also what does Iraq have to do with any of that?
Originally posted by cdtm
That was what Bush intended from the start, to flush out terrorist networks by taking out their allies.
And I'm sure Osama Bin Laden only intended to pressure America out of the Middle East.
Best thing is we judge actions and not intentions.
Originally posted by cdtm
Call it extreme or unjustified, but they did succeed in a horrific attack against a major power, and for all we knew there were many more coming.
I call it radical and fundamentalism.
More attacks did come. In response to the 2 Invasions he undertook.
Originally posted by cdtm
And countries like Iraq certainly would have been a threat with arms, and could have attacked.
Oh yeah a completely unrelated country. Nothing to do with the Taliban, Al-Quaeda or 9/11. But sure let's just invade them too.
Nothing extremist or war mongering about that at all 😕
Originally posted by cdtm
Blame the terrorists for stirring up the hornets nest.
Or you know, blame the U.S's imperialism in the middle east for decades.
Terrorism, even Religous terrorism is on both sides tbh. But it is pretty worrying that you are justifying one side.
Originally posted by cdtm
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/11/world/europe/afghanistan-women-burqas.htmlNo Christian majority nation on earth is like this.
And I like how they claim the women themselves organized the counter protest, yet armed Taliban fighters won't allow anyone to talk with them, reporters are held back, and no one can contact them on social media.
It makes it questionable whether they are willing participants.
It's weird how leftists claim to be in favor of women's rights but then ignore or downplay the way women are treated in muslim nations.
Crazy man-hating sjw feminists here have no idea how good they have it in this country compared to most middle eastern nations. They think they are soooo "oppressed" here; they should go live in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Afghanistan for a while and see how much they like it.
Give it a week at most and they'll be longing for the type of "oppression" they had in the US.
Originally posted by cdtmsaddam and bin laden hated each other. Yeah, saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was appointed by Americans and had no ties to bin laden.
On a bloody crusade of conquest?Are we just going to ignore how big of an event 9/11 was, or ignore current events with the Taliban?
If you want to fight terrorism, one method is shutting down safe harbors. And yes, this could mean military pressure on countries that give them safe harbor.
That was what Bush intended from the start, to flush out terrorist networks by taking out their allies.
Call it extreme or unjustified, but they did succeed in a horrific attack against a major power, and for all we knew there were many more coming. And countries like Iraq certainly would have been a threat with arms, and could have attacked.
Blame the terrorists for stirring up the hornets nest.
Originally posted by cdtm
On a bloody crusade of conquest?Are we just going to ignore how big of an event 9/11 was, or ignore current events with the Taliban?
If you want to fight terrorism, one method is shutting down safe harbors. And yes, this could mean military pressure on countries that give them safe harbor.
That was what Bush intended from the start, to flush out terrorist networks by taking out their allies.
Call it extreme or unjustified, but they did succeed in a horrific attack against a major power, and for all we knew there were many more coming. And countries like Iraq certainly would have been a threat with arms, and could have attacked.
Blame the terrorists for stirring up the hornets nest.
Yeah, they did succeed but I still believe Bush played a part in allowing it to happen and I don't think those planes is ultimately what brought down the towers. It was probably controlled demolition charges from within. Hence, it was an inside job.
The planes were just a cover for what the real perpetrators did. No plane hit building 7 and yet it fell as well. Why? How? Certain media announced the fall of building 7 BEFORE it actually fell. Try explaining that one.
Of course I am not downplaying the actual islamic terrorists part in all if it. They still hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings killing no telling how many people in the crash and from fires that started inside building afterwards but the majority of deaths came from the buildings falling. Lot of people were also jumping out of windows falling to their deaths because they preferred it to burning alive.
The 9/11 attacks were used as a convenient excuse for government to trample all over many of our rights and spy on us when the Patriot Act was passed shortly afterward. Oh, and of course it also gave us justification for more wars in the middle east for the past twenty years which made military industrial complex very happy.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeis you the cuck? Of course you is!
Yeah, they did succeed but I still believe Bush played a part in allowing it to happen and I don't think those planes is ultimately what brought down the towers. It was probably controlled demolition charges from within. Hence, it was an inside job.The planes were just a cover for what the real perpetrators did. No plane hit building 7 and yet it fell as well. Why? How? Certain media announced the fall of building 7 BEFORE it actually fell. Try explaining that one.
Of course I am not downplaying the actual islamic terrorists part in all if it. They still hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings killing no telling how many people in the crash and from fires that started inside building afterwards but the majority of deaths came from the buildings falling. Lot of people were also jumping out of windows falling to their deaths because they preferred it to burning alive.
The 9/11 attacks were used as a convenient excuse for government to trample all over many of our rights and spy on us when the Patriot Act was passed shortly afterward. Oh, and of course it also gave us justification for more wars in the middle east for the past twenty years which made military industrial complex very happy.
Originally posted by cdtm
Lets unpack the imperialism part.What part of US imperialism justified planes flown into a building full of innocent civilians?
Urm... I'm not justifying terrorism. You seem to be though. Yes imperialistic wars count as terror.
If you're asking why the arab/muslim world would hate the U.S. Then jeez where do I begin?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Urm... I'm not justifying terrorism. You seem to be though. Yes imperialistic wars count as terror.If you're asking why the arab/muslim world would hate the U.S. Then jeez where do I begin?
The reasons given by writers on Wikipedia suggest support for Israel and troops in Saudi Arabia are reasons.
Those are pretty terrible reasons if representative. Trade embargo's, military presences (After major incidents that necessitated controlling air space), and simply being allies with a nation and people you don't like are not good reasons to slaughter civilians.