Weakest character who can beat the following characters 10/10

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet, in Enemy of the State:
https://i.imgur.com/YxcfqxW.jpeg

Not just EOTS. "New FF" arc, too. I'm well aware of those, but since Reed has to beat him 10/10 and we're using Logan at his best...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He can be choked out, and a bloodlusted Logan isn't sheathing his claws....

He's been shown to be smart even when giving himself to his berserker nature, as confirmed by Forge and Xavier and so on.

Even if he's not sheathing them, he still has his legs, which worked just fine 😛

And his absurd MA skills can help, too. As you know, Reed's list of weaknesses is quite long:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not just EOTS. "New FF" arc, too. I'm well aware of those, but since Reed has to beat him 10/10 and we're using Logan at his best...

He's been shown to be smart even when giving himself to his berserker nature, as confirmed by Forge and Xavier and so on.

Even if he's not sheathing them, he still has his legs, which worked just fine 😛

And his absurd MA skills can help, too. As you know, Reed's list of weaknesses is quite long:

But remember, this is also Reed at his best -not to mention, your tactics (pressure points, kicking, maybe even headbutting) all depend on Logan actually being able to kick/punch etc.

He wouldn't if he's all wrapped up, with no room to move/leverage.

Interesting take on Reed. Nice scans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Apocalypse - Magneto 😛
Invisible Woman - Hydroman, Mercury, any liquidy characters with no organs.
Aquaman - Cyclops riding on Colossus' shoulders, with Pym particles
Hulk - Immortal? Savage? I assume you mean Immortal, so....Black Panther.
Wolverine - Reed, or Omega Red
Quicksilver - Aquarian
Sebastian Shaw - The Atom. Or, Dracula. Or Purple Man. Or Mastermind. Really, any good illusionist or TP user should do the trick.
Nova [Richard, full nova force] - Aquarian again
Blue Marvel - John Stewart
Doctor Doom - Tough, as he has both magic and tech (plus has h2h skills too). Atom, again.
Loki - Magik, Black Alice
Nate Grey -Is he Shaman level? Fantomex
Maxima - Invisible Woman
Wonder Woman - Zzax

Or The Spot for Wolverine, just because he's even more of a loser, just for Stilt 😈

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But remember, this is also Reed at his best -not to mention, your tactics (pressure points, kicking, maybe even headbutting) all depend on Logan actually being able to kick/punch etc.

He wouldn't if he's all wrapped up, with no room to move/leverage.

Fair enough... I'm just having a really, really, really hard time imagining Reed beating... well... anyone... 10 out of 10 times.

In theory, he should be a beast against h2h fighters. Nobody can argue that.

Is he? No. You don't even need powers to give him a run for his money.

Someone like Whirly would probably kill him. Accidentally.

So he is like a marvel Martian Manjobber in h2h?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or The Spot for Wolverine, just because he's even more of a loser, just for Stilt 😈

Spot doesn't fare well against enhanced senses, does he now? 😛

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So he is like a marvel Martian Manjobber in h2h?

Worse... he is a nerd who forgets he has a wife and family, he probably spends his time discussing math with Astner, Magnon and... h1a8.

Manjobber is just a really depressed alien. Cure his depression and I'm sure he can get a few decent feats.

Apocalypse. Vision
Invisible Woman Shadowcat
Aquaman Sandman
Hulk Havok
Wolverine Blink
Quicksilver Colossus
Sebastian Shaw Metamorpho
Nova [Richard, full nova force] Zatanna
Blue Marvel .... Bill
Doctor Doom Constantine
Loki Xavier
Nate Grey Ares
Maxima Rambeau
Wonder Woman Mysterio

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Spot doesn't fare well against enhanced senses, does he now? 😛

No different than normal senses; DD detected them because the music changed:

His senses didn't tell him where the portals were going to open, only that they had already opened. And tbf, anyone with sight would be able to detect them, because....they're black discs, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Both sides have full capacity/bloodlust?

He can simply open a Spothole in front of the enemy and connect it to one opened in space and suck him/her out.

Or when Logan stabs, the claws get ported into his brain and left there.

It's in the process of opening, iirc? It was widening?

And he effortlessly punked Spot's ass there, didn't he?

Makes me think senses do help a little with that --- same as they do with Kurt's teleportation.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or when Logan stabs, the claws get ported into his brain and left there.

Good tactic, but Spot never opened a portal inside anyone.

*heavy breathing*

the... possibilities...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's in the process of opening, iirc? It was widening?

And he effortlessly punked Spot's ass there, didn't he?

Makes me think senses do help a little with that --- same as they do with Kurt's teleportation.

Well same way I see a black disc opening up in front of me with my eyes..... it won't tell me where next. There's no sulphur smell or change in the air before it appears.

Once it appears then yeah, anyone can use their senses to detect it.

And you're right, he hasn't - he can still stab Logan in his heart.

Jackal (using Spots powers) did use internal portals, though, so if we want to go that route, just swap Jackal in for Spot lol.

I still believe it can be detected a fraction of the second before it fully opens.

There's no sulphur, but Wolverine is able to sense a perfect bit of nothing... remember the Fantomex sewers scene?

And you're right, he hasn't - he can still stab Logan in his heart.

Which, at Logan's best, can't even stop him from fighting back 🙁

Jackal (using Spots powers) did use internal portals, though, so if we want to go that route, just swap Jackal in for Spot lol.

Now that's something new.

And Jackal-Jackal is definitely psycho enough to try that, so no wonder he did.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is his heat vision light based? I always thought it was concussive with heat being a side effect

The only time I read it clearly defined was Superman telling a Jor-El(some other alien unknowingly turned Kryptonian on the genetic level, and to be Jor-El) that it's a waste byproduct of their solar metabolism. He's projected heat vision to just firing blinding light, and other instances if only a certain wavelength, like x-rays and microwaves.

Byrne did imply it was telekinesis creating a microwave like effect(exciting molecular movement) but only implied and I don't believe any other writer went the "his powers are partially TK" route.

Pre-CRISIS it was heat as a side effect of his x-ray vision before making it just heat vision.

It's not Jackal, it's Coyote.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Invisible Woman Shadowcat

Edge to Sue if she can make phasing even somewhat difficult