Originally posted by Darth Thor
Zod didn't seem that fast tbh.Plus IW Thor was spamming Lightning. So any small speed advantage isn't giving Zod the win.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Zod scales of Superman.I don't remember IW using lightning except for one attack against Thanos.
Originally posted by Psychotron
I don't remember IW using lightning except for one attack against Thanos.
Originally posted by FrothByte
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Originally posted by KingD19
Zod scales off Man of Steel Superman, not Justice League Superman. He clearly got more powerful as time went on.
No, he didn't. Faora had clear super speed in MoS and Superman was overwhelming her when he got serious. The idea that Superman didn't have super speed in MoS is a cope.
Originally posted by Psychotron
No, he didn't. Faora had clear super speed in MoS and Superman was overwhelming her when he got serious. The idea that Superman didn't have super speed in MoS is a cope.
Will need more than Faoras level of speed (which neither Zod nor Kal displayed in MOS), to guarantee a win against a star tanking and lightning spamming Thor, with a weapon that can likely chop Zods head off in 1 strike.
Originally posted by Psychotron
No, he didn't. Faora had clear super speed in MoS and Superman was overwhelming her when he got serious. The idea that Superman didn't have super speed in MoS is a cope.
Oh they had super speed, just that they were limited to using it in short bursts and simple movements.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Will need more than Faoras level of speed (which neither Zod nor Kal displayed in MOS), to guarantee a win against a star tanking and lightning spamming Thor, with a weapon that can likely chop Zods head off in 1 strike.
Where do I begin?
First of all, Faora's speed is greater than anything Thor has ever dodged/hit.
Second, the fact that Superman overwhelmed her when he got serious and the fact that they all have the same powers means he's as fast/faster. That's without taking his JL feats into account and there's no indicaiton that he was more powerful in JL than in MoS.
Three, IW Thor didn't spam lightning attacks. He used lightning once against Thanos and that's it. He didn't use lightning in Endgame either. Lightning spam Thor is a forum myth.
Four, Thor never tanked a star. The forge was literally killing him. Only Stormbreaker saved his life there. At best you could say he survived the heat from a near-dead neutron star for a few seconds.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh they had super speed, just that they were limited to using it in short bursts and simple movements.
You got proof of that? Your head canon doesn't count.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Where do I begin?
Take your time.
Originally posted by Psychotron
First of all, Faora's speed is greater than anything Thor has ever dodged/hit.
Does she move faster than Mjolnir? Or Lightning?
I think she would definitely get more hits in, but I don't think she would be invisible or unhittable by Thor.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Second, the fact that Superman overwhelmed her when he got serious and the fact that they all have the same powers means he's as fast/faster.
OR it just proves you don't need Faora level speed to tag Faora.
Originally posted by Psychotron
That's without taking his JL feats into account and there's no indicaiton that he was more powerful in JL than in MoS.
The invisible speed never displayed in MOS kind of is an indication. As is the fact that he got KO's by an Oil Rig in MOS.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Three, IW Thor didn't spam lightning attacks. He used lightning once against Thanos and that's it. He didn't use lightning in Endgame either. Lightning spam Thor is a forum myth.
It's a myth if you just ignore the videos which have already been posted for you.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Four, Thor never tanked a star. The forge was literally killing him. Only Stormbreaker saved his life there. At best you could say he survived the heat from a near-dead neutron star for a few seconds.
Okay don't get h1a8 on me. Eitri stated he was going to take the Full FORCE of a Star.
And even it it was "only" the heat. That of course helps him in this fight, as Zod's HV won't take down Thor. And Zod has no feat to put him on those kind of strength levels anyway (remember Thor scales off Hulk as well).
Originally posted by Psychotron
You got proof of that? Your head canon doesn't count.
Because that's all we saw in the movie?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
[BDoes she move faster than Mjolnir? Or Lightning?I think she would definitely get more hits in, but I don't think she would be invisible or unhittable by Thor.
She moves faster than Thor, which is what matters here.
She would be able to land a dozen hits on Thor before he could land one. It's not like she's a lightweight either. She's at in the same strength tier as Thor.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
OR it just proves you don't need Faora level speed to tag Faora.
You'd have a point if she was ever ever hit by a character without super speed. Alas, she only ever fought Superman, a being with the same powerset as her.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The invisible speed never displayed in MOS kind of is an indication. As is the fact that he got KO's by an Oil Rig in MOS.
Lol. Superman matched the Faora blow for blow in MoS and she has on screen super speed.
The oil rig a low feat. He has superior durability feats in the same movie. We may as well bring up that the god of thunder got knocked out by an electric shock in Ragnarok.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's a myth if you just ignore the videos which have already been posted for you.
I don't know what videos you mean, but I've watched the movies and Thor doesn't use lightning much in IW or Endgame.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay don't get h1a8 on me. Eitri stated he was going to take the Full FORCE of a Star.And even it it was "only" the heat. That of course helps him in this fight, as Zod's HV won't take down Thor. And Zod has no feat to put him on those kind of strength levels anyway (remember Thor scales off Hulk as well).
The full force of a dead neutron star that needed to be re-ignited, sure.
Thor doesn't scale off Hulk because Hulk is physically stronger than Thor.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because that's all we saw in the movie?
Originally posted by Psychotron
You got proof of that? Your head canon doesn't count.
I'm going by what we see in the movie. You know the rule, feats count. So if you want to claim that Zod and Faora can move in continuous superspeed instead of in short bursts, please show feats of them doing so instead of just depending on your head canon.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm going by what we see in the movie. You know the rule, feats count. So if you want to claim that Zod and Faora can move in continuous superspeed instead of in short bursts, please show feats of them doing so instead of just depending on your head canon.
You know how ridiculous that sounds, right? Faora showed no limit in her usage of super speed. I know people like to wank Marvel here, but get a grip. Even if it's only in short bursts it's more than enough to land dozens of hits on Thor before he can react.
Originally posted by Psychotron
You know how ridiculous that sounds, right? Faora showed no limit in her usage of super speed. I know people like to wank Marvel here, but get a grip. Even if it's only in short bursts it's more than enough to land dozens of hits on Thor before he can react.
Do you have feats of her landing dozens of hits before even a regular human can react?
Originally posted by Psychotron
She moves faster than Thor, which is what matters here.
Not against a guy who can spam lightning.
Originally posted by Psychotron
She would be able to land a dozen hits on Thor before he could land one. It's not like she's a lightweight either. She's at in the same strength tier as Thor.
That's head canon. You have to show the feats of her landing a dozen blow in half a second or whatever. And we also need proof that each one of those blows would be sufficient to hurt Thor.
What's her best Strength feat?
Originally posted by Psychotron
You'd have a point if she was ever ever hit by a character without super speed. Alas, she only ever fought Superman, a being with the same powerset as her.Lol. Superman matched the Faora blow for blow in MoS and she has on screen super speed.
If we don't need to show speed and just guesstimate speed by power scaling then Thor might have faster reflexes than Faora. Given Abomination caught a rocket, and Hulk had trouble landing a single hit on Thor in H2H.
Originally posted by Psychotron
The oil rig a low feat. He has superior durability feats in the same movie. We may as well bring up that the god of thunder got knocked out by an electric shock in Ragnarok.
Except we don't ignore the Obediance Disk. We simply accept it's a device that can control Thor.
You seem to want to ignore scenes (like the Oil Rig) when it's not meshing with the way you see the film feats.
Originally posted by Psychotron
I don't know what videos you mean, but I've watched the movies and Thor doesn't use lightning much in IW or Endgame.
Originally posted by FrothByte
https://youtu.be/Va52rmEiPVw?t=2
Originally posted by Silent Master
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Originally posted by Psychotron
The full force of a dead neutron star that needed to be re-ignited, sure.
Pretty huge feat.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Thor doesn't scale off Hulk because Hulk is physically stronger than Thor.
He has strength to block his blows. So scaling is relevant. Plus he may well be physically Hulk's superior given he almost KO'd him in 1 blow, whilst Hulk pounded and pounded on Thor multiple times and he still got up.
Originally posted by Psychotron
We saw that their super speed has limited usage? Where?
That's a no limit fallacy.