IW Thor vs. MOS General Zod

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not against a guy who can spam lightning.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's head canon. You have to show the feats of her landing a dozen blow in half a second or whatever. And we also need proof that each one of those blows would be sufficient to hurt Thor.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What's her best Strength feat?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
If we don't need to show speed and just guesstimate speed by power scaling then Thor might have faster reflexes than Faora. Given Abomination caught a rocket, and Hulk had trouble landing a single hit on Thor in H2H.

If we're doing actual scaling Zod and Faora scale off Superman, who had trouble landing hits on Faora in H2H, and Superman made Wonder Woman look like a statue. The real reason Thor could dance around Hulk is because Hulk is an unskilled brute, however.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Except we don't ignore the Obediance Disk. We simply accept it's a device that can control Thor.
You seem to want to ignore scenes (like the Oil Rig) when it's not meshing with the way you see the film feats.

Yes, it controls him through electric shocks. The God of Thunder got knocked out by a space taser. Superman crashed through a mountain a few scenes after the oil rig and was unhurt btw. Then he had his World Engine feat too, so there goes that. We take averages. One low feat does not outweigh multiple high end feats, but you already know this.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Pretty huge feat.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He has strength to block his blows. So scaling is relevant. Plus he may well be physically Hulk's superior given he almost KO'd him in 1 blow, whilst Hulk pounded and pounded on Thor multiple times and he still got up.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's a no limit fallacy.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You know how ridiculous that sounds, right? Faora showed no limit in her usage of super speed. I know people like to wank Marvel here, but get a grip. Even if it's only in short bursts it's more than enough to land dozens of hits on Thor before he can react.

Again, please show feats of her moving continuously at superspeed. Post the vid. Unless you can, you're just making stuff up. All I'm doing is describing exactly what was shown on screen.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Again, please show feats of her moving continuously at superspeed. Post the vid. Unless you can, you're just making stuff up. All I'm doing is describing exactly what was shown on screen.

Post feats of Spider-man moving continuously at superspeed.
Post feats of Neo moving continuously at superspeed.
Post feats of Wonder Woman moving continuously at superspeed.

You see how stupid you sound?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Post feats of Spider-man moving continuously at superspeed.
Post feats of Neo moving continuously at superspeed.
Post feats of Wonder Woman moving continuously at superspeed.

You see how stupid you sound?

I never claimed Spiderman can move continuously at superspeed.
I never claimed Neo can move continuously at superspeed.
I never claimed Wonder Woman can move continuously at superspeed.

Now stop ignoring the elephant in the room. You want to claim Faora can move continuously at superspeed, you need to provide feats of her doing so. I'm not asking you to show her moving at superspeed throughout the movie, but at the very least show her moving at superspeed continuously for a decent amount of time, stringing together multiple complicated movements, instead of doing simple bursts.

This is not an unreasonable request and you know it.

Why does she have to? She can just move with speed to strike once at a time or evade. If Thor gets popped then he would be stunned. She has all the time in the world to hit Thor a 2nd time and so forth.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why does she have to? She can just move with speed to strike once at a time or evade. If Thor gets popped then he would be stunned. She has all the time in the world to hit Thor a 2nd time and so forth.

Sure, that's a valid argument to make. But it would be nice if we were all honest about what feats we actually have on screen.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I never claimed Spiderman can move continuously at superspeed.
I never claimed Neo can move continuously at superspeed.
I never claimed Wonder Woman can move continuously at superspeed.

Now stop ignoring the elephant in the room. You want to claim Faora can move continuously at superspeed, you need to provide feats of her doing so. I'm not asking you to show her moving at superspeed throughout the movie, but at the very least show her moving at superspeed continuously for a decent amount of time, stringing together multiple complicated movements, instead of doing simple bursts.

This is not an unreasonable request and you know it.

No, this is idiotic. By your logic no character has super speed, except Flash and Quicksilver I guess. This is like asking someone to prove Hulk can use his super strength continuously.

Zod stomps. Really, any kryptonian would stomp Thor.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, this is idiotic. By your logic no character has super speed, except Flash and Quicksilver I guess. This is like asking someone to prove Hulk can use his super strength continuously.

Why would I say no character has superspeed? Now you're just strawmanning. I never even claimed the Kryptonians don't have superspeed. I'm simply pointing out that they only have feats of using it for extremely short bursts before needing to pause. And as far as the golden rule in the MVF, we debate using feats.

I'm not asking you to provide a feat of Zod and Faora using superspeed for an entire movie, but unless you can provide them using it for a longer duration than simple split-second to single-second bursts then your claim of them using it continuously is nothing but a no limits fallacy. That's like saying Usain Bolt can run continuously at 45 km/h just because he's able to hit that speed for a second or two when he sprints.

Hulk has feats of prolonged usage of super strength. Flash and Quicksilver have feats of prolonged usage of super speed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Why would I say no character has superspeed? Now you're just strawmanning. I never even claimed the Kryptonians don't have superspeed. I'm simply pointing out that they only have feats of using it for extremely short bursts before needing to pause. And as far as the golden rule in the MVF, we debate using feats.

I'm not asking you to provide a feat of Zod and Faora using superspeed for an entire movie, but unless you can provide them using it for a longer duration than simple split-second to single-second bursts then your claim of them using it continuously is nothing but a no limits fallacy. That's like saying Usain Bolt can run continuously at 45 km/h just because he's able to hit that speed for a second or two when he sprints.

Hulk has feats of prolonged usage of super strength. Flash and Quicksilver have feats of prolonged usage of super speed.

The first part of your post is wrong, because we know Kryptonians can use it the same way as Flash thanks to JL.

The second part with the Usain Bolt comparison is wrong because that's travel speed, not combat. If you want to use travel speed, then fine. Superman and Zod both have those feats.

Originally posted by Psychotron
More like a guy who can spam lightning, but doesn't most of the time. That video of Thor using an AoE against mooks is nice, but in most fights against tough opponents he rarely uses it. Captain America used lightning agaisnt Thanos more than Thor himself did. And he never used it against Kurse or Hulk (as a ranged attack). Thor's a brawler by heart.

He used AOE (which you denied until we posted the video for you twice) is what he used against multiple opponents, opponents capable of taking down Hulk Buster.

It's only logical he would do the same against a speedster.

And if you want to restrict a character to how many times they have displayed an ability, then this is even easier, given Zod Never displayed super speed.

Originally posted by Psychotron
She already has a super speed feat. Thor, on the other hand, does not have any feats suggesting he can react that fast.

But he can fly and spam lightning and blast a bifrost.

Originally posted by Psychotron
What's Thor's best strength feat? Failing to break out of restraints on Sakaar, or failing to break some restraints made from junk by Ebony Maw? Contending with Superman is plenty.

Are you really not seeing the double standards you're applying here? Thor needs feats, but Faora/Zod (I think you're getting confused who we are arguing against Thor here), only needs power scaling ?

Thor scales plenty off Hulk. He's actually his physical superior as proven in Ragnarok.

And this with you completely ignoring him taking the FULL FORCE of a Star for Several Minutes.

Originally posted by Psychotron
If we're doing actual scaling Zod and Faora scale off Superman, who had trouble landing hits on Faora in H2H, and Superman made Wonder Woman look like a statue. The real reason Thor could dance around Hulk is because Hulk is an unskilled brute, however.

Yeah nice try but you're skipping timelines, comparing Zod to a future Superman he never faced. I've already PROVEN Superman was still growing in power in MOS, but you're just brushing aside evidence you don't like.

Hulk's an unskilled brute? Nah Thor was clearly faster than Hulk. And funny talking about unskilled when we are discussing Zod here.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, it controls him through electric shocks. The God of Thunder got knocked out by a space taser. Superman crashed through a mountain a few scenes after the oil rig and was unhurt btw. Then he had his World Engine feat too, so there goes that. We take averages. One low feat does not outweigh multiple high end feats, but you already know this.

None of that compares to taking a Star and beating the crap out of a guy who could shove Surtur and one shot a Leviathan.

No need to troll over the Obediance Disk. That literally has no bearing on his strength feats.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Really, why? How hot was that neutron star exactly? It was cold when Thor got there, so how much heat was it producing when he restarted it? We don't know, but we do know that even the hottest neutron stars are about 1,000,000° Celsius when they're freshly formed. This one obviously was not, so it definitely wasn't that hot. Meanwhile, a nuclear explosion like the one Superman took is about 100,000,000° Celsius. Both of them were nearly killed, but the nuke was more than 100 times hotter than the neutron star. Now, we know that Kryptonians can hurt each other with their heat vision, so Zod's HV will definitely hurt Thor.

Again jumping timelines to feats which have Zero relation to either Faora or Zod. This isn't MCU Thor vs DCEU Superman, so get that out of your head.

Thor took the full force of a Star. That's easily planetary level in scale.

It's heat could melt Uru metal which is a far greater feat than melting steel beams that Zod's HV did.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I've blocked blows from a 120kg/265lbs man in sparring back when I weighed a measily 80kg/176lbs. I was definitely not his equal in strength. Your logic is severely flawed.
Lol when exactly did Thor almost KO Hulk with one blow? Because I remember Hulk overpowering Thor and giving him the ol' ground and pound before Thor's lightning powers kicked in.

Really? By block did you grapple with him? Hold up his arm with yours?

Besides your both human. You're making out you blocked a blow from a bear or something.

It was literally Thor's first blow on Hulk in Ragnarok. For a guy who claims he's seen the movies, you seem to keep denying stuff that happens in the films.

And yes Hulk gave Thor the ground and pound, which Thor still got up from. Whereas one big blow from Thor sent Hulk across the arena, landing on his ass and almost KO'd. If Thor wasn't holding back then Hulk was finished pretty early on. So he's definitely Hulk's physical superior. Doesn't mean he's stronger btw. I get Hulk would win in an arm wrestle.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, it isn't. You may as well say Thor can only use his super strength in short burts or Spider-man can only use his speed in agility in short burts. It's a massive cope from fanboys, who can't accept that their favorite children's characters would lose to other children's characters due to a massive speed difference.

So you can sprint forever?

You know very well all we saw was short bursts. Very different from what we've seen from the likes of Quicksilver, The Flash and Superman.

So yeah that's a no limit fallacy.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The first part of your post is wrong, because we know Kryptonians can use it the same way as Flash thanks to JL.

The second part with the Usain Bolt comparison is wrong because that's travel speed, not combat. If you want to use travel speed, then fine. Superman and Zod both have those feats.

No, JL proved that Superman specifically is able to move like Flash, not just any Kryptonian. And that's only after Superman has had practice with his powers for a good amount of time and got ressurrected by a motherbox. He was certainly not able to move like that in his first movie during the first time he's ever used his powers in a fight. Heck, Faora can't even fly and you want to grant her the same feats from JL Superman? What, shall I therefore conclude that Thor can heal as well as Hela just because they're both Asgardians and siblings to boot?

And if you want to use specific real-life combat feats then that's even easier. What, you think Ricky Hatton's every movement in a fight has him moving at 32 mph just because he's able to punch that fast? He'll throw a few speedy punches, maybe pull a few fast slips and dodges, but by and large he'll go back to moving slower in between those movements.

No fighter in the world can maintain a continuous state of intense speed for a prolonged duration. They'll do it in quick bursts and then go back to relatively normal movement speed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, JL proved that Superman specifically is able to move like Flash, not just any Kryptonian. And that's only after Superman has had practice with his powers for a good amount of time and got ressurrected by a motherbox. He was certainly not able to move like that in his first movie during the first time he's ever used his powers in a fight. Heck, Faora can't even fly and you want to grant her the same feats from JL Superman? What, shall I therefore conclude that Thor can heal as well as Hela just because they're both Asgardians and siblings to boot?

And if you want to use specific real-life combat feats then that's even easier. What, you think Ricky Hatton's every movement in a fight has him moving at 32 mph just because he's able to punch that fast? He'll throw a few speedy punches, maybe pull a few fast slips and dodges, but by and large he'll go back to moving slower in between those movements.

No fighter in the world can maintain a continuous state of intense speed for a prolonged duration. They'll do it in quick bursts and then go back to relatively normal movement speed.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Lol You're funny, MOS rarely used Slow mo, If they did for Faora when she attacked those soldiers, you wouldn't low-ball it by calling it a quick burst or whatever you wanna call it. You would always try to low-ball any DC character, that's what you do. But I'll be watching.

Apparently, honestly stating exactly what we've seen on screen is now considered lowballing.

Faora charged a soldier at superspeed and punched him, took a quick pause, charged and hit another soldier at superspeed, took a quick pause, charged and choked a third soldier at super speed then paused.

Are you going to claim that these WEREN'T short bursts of super speed? I mean, why even pause if she could have moved at that speed continuously? She obviously had no qualms about killing the soldiers.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Apparently, honestly stating exactly what we've seen on screen is now considered lowballing.

Faora charged a soldier at superspeed and punched him, took a quick pause, charged and hit another soldier at superspeed, took a quick pause, charged and choked a third soldier at super speed then paused.

Are you going to claim that these WEREN'T short bursts of super speed? I mean, why even pause if she could have moved at that speed continuously? She obviously had no qualms about killing the soldiers.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
You're not honest about anything. This is what you do. I mean Faora clearly used her speed in combat and you're looking for a way to discredit it.

I never denied that she used it in combat. Please quote me where I stated she didn't use it in combat.

You know what would beat any of these personas?

Weapons I could design irl. They could win a war with China.

But y'all keep coveting my cousin and dancing around the issue

Originally posted by 9jaboy
You're not honest about anything. This is what you do. I mean Faora clearly used her speed in combat and you're looking for a way to discredit it.

This isnt a rebuttal to the facts he pointed out.

When did h1 become a hacker?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
This isnt a rebuttal to the facts he pointed out.

What advantage is there to move at super speed continuously over just picking and choosing spots to use it in single bursts?

You can use it to attack once. You can use it once to defend or evade.
Her reflexes and perceptions are still greatly superhuman.

Why not just argue the spirit of what is going on instead of nitpicking things that don't matter? Unless you have an agenda (you are a Thor fan).