Originally posted by Booya_69
Classic or current?
Both. Cain at his classic non amplified levels was roughly as strong as Wonder Man. I base this opinion upon him being trapped beneath a collapsed ancient temple that took him years to escape. Another citing show him near dead even arm wrestling Simon, but I'm not certain whether that was canon, as it was in what I believe a swim suit edition that Marvel put out. However, we did see how easily Thor overpowered him when a portion of his enchantment was nullified. Cain seemed far stronger than he actually was due to his toughness. He could put all of his strength into a punch without fear, because his toughness was always far greater than his strength. If it took him years to get out of a collapsed temple, he'd never be able to lift a state. Am I making sense here?
Originally posted by StoicPlenty, Hercules IS stronger.
Both. Cain at his classic non amplified levels was roughly as strong as Wonder Man. I base this opinion upon him being trapped beneath a collapsed ancient temple that took him years to escape. Another citing show him near dead even arm wrestling Simon, but I'm not certain whether that was canon, as it was in what I believe a swim suit edition that Marvel put out. However, we did see how easily Thor overpowered him when a portion of his enchantment was nullified. Cain seemed far stronger than he actually was due to his toughness. He could put all of his strength into a punch without fear, because his toughness was always far greater than his strength. If it took him years to get out of a collapsed temple, he'd never be able to lift a state. Am I making sense here?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules isn't stronger than Juggernaut
👆
Of course he's not. We would need to use some severely depowered versions of Cain.
Which is not fair, especially considering how Herc was depowered himself a good few times (ranging from peak human to solid meta levels).
Regular Juggernaut tears Immortal Herc's arms off, simple as that.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Juggernaut has never been stronger than the Hulk. His enchantment was the only thing that has ever given him the edge over the true heavyweights. Thor has never been as strong as the Hulk either. Thor removed the enchantment that gave him his force field and we saw who was stronger.
Hulk 424
Hulk 429
Hulk 432
All deny that Hulk was stronger than Juggernaut.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
👆Of course he's not. We would need to use some severely depowered versions of Cain.
Which is not fair, especially considering how Herc was depowered himself a good few times (ranging from peak human to solid meta levels).
Regular Juggernaut tears Immortal Herc's arms off, simple as that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Someone should have told that to Hulk editorial.Hulk 424
Hulk 429
Hulk 432
All deny that Hulk was stronger than Juggernaut.
I recall the Hulk grabbing the Juggernaut with one hand, spinning him, and throwing him into a mountain. You use interviews, and editorials only when they suit your argument. The Hulk has no upper limit to his strength. Cain does and did. Thor overpowered him, or are we ignoring that as well?
The force field theory isn't really supported by the vast majority of his stories.
It's outright contradicted in the Eighth Day story for example, where the text specifically states his clothes are "invulnerable".
There is also the fact that if all he was is a force field, his helmet would be protected. It has always been the one vulnerable part of his person.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How does that prove anything?Wolverine and Captain America have thrown plenty of Class 100 bricks.
It doesn't make them even 5-10% as strong as those characters.
No upper strength limit. Thor overpowered him when he lost the unstoppable enchantment. But yeah, let's willfully ignore that the opinions of the editorial team hold very little weight here.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He didn't overpower him. He struck him a few times and Juggs was hurt, but he took it like a man.Weaker characters can combo-to-ko stronger ones. So again, it means shit.
Do you have the scans? Are you saying that the Juggernaut is actually stronger than the Hulk? Getting back on topic, how is Cain stronger than Blue Marvel, when it took him years to free himself from that ancient temple, let alone stronger than Hercules? Are we still using the full capacity rule here?
Originally posted by Stoic
I recall the Hulk grabbing the Juggernaut with one hand, spinning him, and throwing him into a mountain. You use interviews, and editorials only when they suit your argument. The Hulk has no upper limit to his strength. Cain does and did. Thor overpowered him, or are we ignoring that as well?
Originally posted by cdtm
Stilt's right, Thor beat on Juggernaut a little but failed to KO him.The way I see it, this is a feat for [b]Juggernaut
. He just loses his enchantment, yet fights on and holds his own. Odds are that last punch wouldn't have KO'd him even without the force field. [/B]
👆
Of course it's a feat for Cain.
Imagine how being invulnerable/unstoppable is your whole thing. Now you get robbed of it, you feel pain again, you can get your lights punched out... yet the Elite Class 100 herald still fails to do it before your forcefield restarts itself.
Helluva feat.
Also, we're discussing strength and strength alone - bad example to use for Stoic, almost totally off-topic, even.
