Originally posted by -Pr-
Somehow, your words ring hollow. You specifically called it "the flu in drag".You're just using semantics now, and trying to justify your shitty position with any mental gymnastics you can manage.
You're so desperate for covid not to be the big deal it is. Why? Because you're afraid that it might be real? Because it doesn't fit in with your world-view? What? What's the big ****ing deal with it? Millions infected. Millions dead even when accounting for the media being the media. What will it take for you to actually treat it seriously?
I don't trust the media. I don't trust my own government. But seeing people suffer from covid... how is that not enough? How are the hospitals filled to the brim not enough? What will it take for you to take it seriously?
It is the flu in drag. Slightly different. And it probably causes pneumonia aswell which would account for the breathing problems peoe are having.
And you are afraid that it might not be real. Because then you'll have to admit you have been conned. And you would never dare admit that. There is no real pandemic.
You keep saying millions are dead without offering no real proof, just going off the same people you claim to distrust. There are up to700000 deaths of the flu each year too and you didn't give a crap before. Very odd
I know 3 nurses who work in 3 different major hospitals. My stepdad works in a major hospital in Birmingham. They are Not full to the brim, they never have been. How on earth do you know hospitals are full to the brim? They never have been. The hospitals are always Busy in winter but that is normal. Not one nightingale hospital has been used in the UK. You are being lied too.
I'm really not desperate for anything. I'm just putting my opinion across of what I've seen and heard around me since the start of this scamdemic . I know for a fact covid isn't a big deal for the majority of the population.
I've seen people suffer with lung cancer because of smoking. I've seen all sorts diseases ravage friends and family. What's your point? You have got your blinkers on and can only see covid.
Now you have to get your booster every 3 months untill forever
I feel sorry for you people.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1)You need to provide proof this is happening on a large scale. Otherwise its another conspiracy promoted by you.2) Doesnt count to YOU. If you had the Influenza within 28 days of death you dont think that was most probably a contributing factor towards the death? Really? 28 days isnt that long to fully recover from Covid or Influenza. And if you died it means you were unwell from something else, so even less likely to have fully recovered from Pneumonia. And youre using this to decide ALL COVID FIGURES ARE COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE AND COMPLETELY MADE UP.
Ridiculous.
I don't need to prove anything. You could try a engaging your Brain and pay attention.
The burden of proof is on you.
Originally posted by Deano
It is the flu in drag. Slightly different. And it probably causes pneumonia aswell which would account for the breathing problems peoe are having.And you are afraid that it might not be real. Because then you'll have to admit you have been conned. And you would never dare admit that. There is no real pandemic.
You keep saying millions are dead without offering no real proof, just going off the same people you claim to distrust. There are up to700000 deaths of the flu each year too and you didn't give a crap before. Very odd
I know 3 nurses who work in 3 different major hospitals. My stepdad works in a major hospital in Birmingham. They are Not full to the brim, they never have been. How on earth do you know hospitals are full to the brim? They never have been. The hospitals are always Busy in winter but that is normal. Not one nightingale hospital has been used in the UK. You are being lied too.
I'm really not desperate for anything. I'm just putting my opinion across of what I've seen and heard around me since the start of this scamdemic . I know for a fact covid isn't a big deal for the majority of the population.
I've seen people suffer with lung cancer because of smoking. I've seen all sorts diseases ravage friends and family. What's your point? You have got your blinkers on and can only see covid.
Now you have to get your booster every 3 months untill forever
I feel sorry for you people.
You make assumptions that simply aren't true.
My local hospital here, which I have had to wait two years to get an appointment in because it kept getting pushed back (like a lot of people), had to close off entire wards. I have literally sat in the halls on a trolley, listening to alarms go off and seeing people running in and out of the wards that have been closed off for covid patients. I've seen how strict they are about PPE too.
The solution is one of two things: your part of England hasn't been ravaged by covid, and is somehow the exception. Because Ireland has. Because lots of places have.
Or you're a liar, desperate to use any kind of "fact" you can come up with to justify your position.
And the truth when it comes down to it, is this: Me, and a lot of people like me, are stuck believing one of two things is true:
If covid doesn't exist, then all these preparations and precautions have been for nothing. Life goes on.
if covid does exist, and I trust you, I end up dead.
I'm not going to trust you over the actual doctors that have looked after me, and you're a ****ing loon for thinking anyone should.
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So I'm gonna say this one more time: You, and anyone else, is free to disagree. Trolling and baiting, however, are not allowed. Be civil or **** off.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You make assumptions that simply aren't true.My local hospital here, which I have had to wait two years to get an appointment in because it kept getting pushed back (like a lot of people), had to close off entire wards. I have literally sat in the halls on a trolley, listening to alarms go off and seeing people running in and out of the wards that have been closed off for covid patients. I've seen how strict they are about PPE too.
The solution is one of two things: your part of England hasn't been ravaged by covid, and is somehow the exception. Because Ireland has. Because lots of places have.
Or you're a liar, desperate to use any kind of "fact" you can come up with to justify your position.
And the truth when it comes down to it, is this: Me, and a lot of people like me, are stuck believing one of two things is true:
If covid doesn't exist, then all these preparations and precautions have been for nothing. Life goes on.
if covid does exist, and I trust you, I end up dead.
I'm not going to trust you over the actual doctors that have looked after me, and you're a ****ing loon for thinking anyone should.
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So I'm gonna say this one more time: You, and anyone else, is free to disagree. Trolling and baiting, however, are not allowed. Be civil or **** off.
It's a rock and hard place scenerio.
What do you trust more? The assurances that vaccination is 100% safe, or the cries to vax up against a deadly disease?
Maybe they're both bad for you. Maybe the Vax will save you today and give you a heart attack tomorrow.
I mean, I'll probably get the booster, but I sure don't feel comfortable about how this thing was pushed out, nor do I really trust officials and businessmen to have my best interests at heart because, historically, they haven't.
The Saudi's and the UAE are spending billions a year on football clubs and NBC is reportedly preparing to buy WWE from Vince McMahon for billions even though the worlds elite are planning on drastically reducing the worlds population.
Seems odd that so much money would be being invested by people who are about to obliterate their customer base.
Originally posted by samhain
The Saudi's and the UAE are spending billions a year on football clubs and NBC is reportedly preparing to buy WWE from Vince McMahon for billions even though the worlds elite are planning on drastically reducing the worlds population.Seems odd that so much money would be being invested by people who are about to obliterate their customer base.
Businesses are built on it. Big Tobacco? Junk food?
Originally posted by cdtm
It's a rock and hard place scenerio.What do you trust more? The assurances that vaccination is 100% safe, or the cries to vax up against a deadly disease?
Maybe they're both bad for you. Maybe the Vax will save you today and give you a heart attack tomorrow.
I mean, I'll probably get the booster, but I sure don't feel comfortable about how this thing was pushed out, nor do I really trust officials and businessmen to have my best interests at heart because, historically, they haven't.
The vaccines aren't 100% guaranteed safe. Anyone claiming they are is suspect. That doesn't mean they're going to kill you either.
They are literally "hey, take this and you won't die of covid, and you're less likely to transmit it too". How is that not enough for people? I'm genuinely asking.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The vaccines aren't 100% guaranteed safe. Anyone claiming they are is suspect. That doesn't mean they're going to kill you either.They are literally "hey, take this and you won't die of covid, and you're less likely to transmit it too". How is that not enough for people? I'm genuinely asking.
You need to understand the US government has a VERY bad history when it comes to breaching US trust.
The crazies who get dismissed as just being crazy are more likely people who studied up on US attrocities dating back to the founding of this country to about 30 years ago, and asked themselves why everyone keeps trusting anyone in a position of public trust.
You reach a point in logic where you assume maybe trust in general when it comes to power is a bad idea. No trust, no capacity to abuse that trust.
Originally posted by cdtm
You need to understand the US government has a VERY bad history when it comes to breaching US trust.The crazies who get dismissed as just being crazy are more likely people who studied up on US attrocities dating back to the founding of this country to about 30 years ago, and asked themselves why everyone keeps trusting anyone in a position of public trust.
You reach a point in logic where you assume maybe trust in general when it comes to power is a bad idea. No trust, no capacity to abuse that trust.
I fully accept that. Just as I fully accept that there are legitimate reasons why people don't take the vaccine (like pre-existing conditions). What gets me is people downplaying the danger of the disease, then using backward logic to justify not taking the vaccine.
Because those people tend to be the ones that end up crying out for help in hospital when it's too late for them to be helped, taking up space that they wouldn't have needed in the first place if they'd just gotten the jab. I mean, my brother still got vaccinated, and he flat out said that if he hadn't experienced it for himself, he'd probably think it was bullshit. And I believe a lot of people are in that boat where they believe that because it hasn't happened to them, it isn't a big deal.
And this is everywhere too, not just America.
Originally posted by Deano
It is the flu in drag. Slightly different. And it probably causes pneumonia aswell which would account for the breathing problems peoe are having.
Repeat:
-In the US the Flu kills an average of 30K a year.
-In 2020 COVID-19 killed over 350K.
Covid is not like "a little Flu", you really need to get that through your head.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You make assumptions that simply aren't true.My local hospital here, which I have had to wait two years to get an appointment in because it kept getting pushed back (like a lot of people), had to close off entire wards. I have literally sat in the halls on a trolley, listening to alarms go off and seeing people running in and out of the wards that have been closed off for covid patients. I've seen how strict they are about PPE too.
I've been in busy hospitals before aswell. Yes they can be chaotic. A+E in New cross hospital was like a zoo pre Covid. Just because you've seen some activity in a covid ward, that doesn't mean a thing. Doesn't even mean those people have covid, they could have any respiratory disease.
A woman who filmed in Worcester hospital showed it was virtually empty. She got arrested for that.
How many innocent souls have died because they have been refused cancer treatment because of covid lockdowns? Have we forgot about them?
The solution is one of two things: your part of England hasn't been ravaged by covid, and is somehow the exception. Because Ireland has. Because lots of places have.Or you're a liar, desperate to use any kind of "fact" you can come up with to justify your position.
The solution is none of those things. People just love to think im liar, but yet believe the lying media and government. Perhaps you are lying?
I know 3 nurses. One in new cross, one in Cannock and one in Russell's hall hospital. And they all say its not as bad as they are making out. It was in fact actually less busy because they was refusing patients who actually needed treatments.
If covid doesn't exist, then all these preparations and precautions have been for nothing. Life goes on.
It exists. Get on with your life.
if covid does exist, and I trust you, I end up dead.
How are you going to end up dead? Bizarre statement to make
I'm not going to trust you over the actual doctors that have looked after me, and you're a ****ing loon for thinking anyone should.
I'm not looking for you to trust me. But im not going to trust loons like Bill Gates and Anthony fauci either.
I could not care less what you do or anyone else. I am looking out for myself , my daughter, family and friends. If you think its acceptable to inject an 8 year old child with an experimental vaccine which has been proven to cause myocarditis in children then perhaps you are the loon?
Originally posted by -Pr-
The vaccines aren't 100% guaranteed safe. Anyone claiming they are is suspect. That doesn't mean they're going to kill you either.They are literally "hey, take this and you won't die of covid, and you're less likely to transmit it too". How is that not enough for people? I'm genuinely asking.
It is no where near enough. I have to weigh up what's best for me.
Risk getting covid, which i already have gotten and it was like the flu and not that bad
Or take an experimental jab, which you can still catch covid and pass it on, is not proven safe in the long run, plus is causing blood clots and heart attacks left right and centre
Its a no brainer