Covid 2021 (Be Proper or GTFO)

Originally posted by -Pr-
imo:

1 - It's substantially safer than catching covid for most people in general, and if it does lower transmission rates, then the effect would be cumulative, I would imagine.
2 - Not a blanket mandate, no. But if you worked in a hospital or around the vulnerable, it might be a good idea to have said staff be vaccinated. Especially if you have patients who for whatever reason can't be vaccinated.

On response 1:
I've seen figures that show there is a 98 percent survival rating for the nonfat, non geriatric, whereas I've seen through vaers that the experimental mRNA had more adverse effects than every vax from the past 30 years combined.

Adverse reactions aside, we've also heard multiple experts (even people from Pfizer and other vax companies) claim natural immunity is superior. So in that regard I'd argue that natural immunity is analogous to letting wild fires happen in California, whereas the vax is putting the fires out unnaturally, which causes dry brush to build up, which results in massively devastating wildfires that wouldn't have occurred without initial interference.

On response to entry 2:
Do you think that in areas, filled with the vulnerable, that people would get vaccinated without coercion ?

E.g. would doctors in a hospital unanimously get the shot ? If not, why is that ?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
On response 1:
I've seen figures that show there is a 98 percent survival rating for the nonfat, non geriatric, whereas I've seen through vaers that the experimental mRNA had more adverse effects than every vax from the past 30 years combined.

Adverse reactions aside, we've also heard multiple experts (even people from Pfizer and other vax companies) claim natural immunity is superior. So in that regard I'd argue that natural immunity is analogous to letting wild fires happen in California, whereas the vax is putting the fires out unnaturally, which causes dry brush to build up, which results in massively devastating wildfires that wouldn't have occurred without initial interference.

On response to entry 2:
Do you think that in areas, filled with the vulnerable, that people would get vaccinated without coercion ?

E.g. would doctors in a hospital unanimously get the shot ? If not, why is that ?

Assuming that was true, it sounds like you're saying that 2% is a perfectly acceptable number when the deaths are largely avoidable if people just looked after each other and took basic precautions. I mean, a mask is a small ask, but we've seen how people react to that.

Outside of a genuine medical issue that prevents or at the very least discourages vaccinations (and I know they exist), I don't know. Lack of empathy?

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Wtf, why was Rob banned?

Bada doesn't like vaccines.

😛

The official reason was given in the thread. Crowd control and keeping peace, basically.

Don't worry, Rob & Co will be back on the beginning of 2022.

The vaccine is a precaution to not die or infect vulnerable people!

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Probably a lack of myocarditis, microbloodclots in the brain, pericarditis, Gillian Barre, which is my goal.

It's nice when informed intention and empirical reality meet.

Odd choice then. Given I already posted the results of the latest study that covid gives a 4-40 x increased risk of myocarditis than the vaccines do and that there's no evidence of any increased risk of pericarditis or cardiac arrhythmias from vaccination but there is an increased risk of both from covid.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
On response 1:
I've seen figures that show there is a 98 percent survival rating for the nonfat, non geriatric, whereas I've seen through vaers that the experimental mRNA had more adverse effects than every vax from the past 30 years combined.

Adverse reactions aside, we've also heard multiple experts (even people from Pfizer and other vax companies) claim natural immunity is superior. So in that regard I'd argue that natural immunity is analogous to letting wild fires happen in California, whereas the vax is putting the fires out unnaturally, which causes dry brush to build up, which results in massively devastating wildfires that wouldn't have occurred without initial interference.

On response to entry 2:
Do you think that in areas, filled with the vulnerable, that people would get vaccinated without coercion ?

E.g. would doctors in a hospital unanimously get the shot ? If not, why is that ?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Odd choice then. Given I already posted the results of the latest study that covid gives a 4-40 x increased risk of myocarditis than the vaccines do and that there's no evidence of any increased risk of pericarditis or cardiac arrhythmias from vaccination but there is an increased risk of both from covid.

I'll be honest. I'm fully willing to accept, and would not be surprised, if it came out and was proven that the vaccine caused long-term health complications. I'll bet anything it would still more than likely be less dangerous than covid itself, though.

There's nothing honest about you limey leftist cuck! The vaccines are causing over 15000 deaths each day.

Originally posted by Bada >>> PR
There's nothing honest about you limey leftist cuck! The vaccines are causing over 15000 deaths each day.

Limeys are English people. I am not English. You can't even get that right, but I'm supposed to believe you about vaccines. Sure.

Originally posted by Bada >>> PR
There's nothing honest about you limey leftist cuck! The vaccines are causing over 15000 deaths each day.

Ethneo didn't stay away for too long then. 15,000 deaths a day? Okay.

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As the Biden administration kicked its COVID-19 vaccination campaign into full-gear early this year, Fox News' Tucker Carlson Tonight ramped-up its own countercampaign to undermine efforts to get people vaccinated.

In the first 10 months of the Biden presidency, host Tucker Carlson and his guests pushed a claim that undermined vaccines in 113 of 114 episodes with vaccine segments on his show—99%—despite mounting evidence repeatedly supporting the efficacy of the vaccine.

According to analysis, Tucker Carlson Tonight discussed vaccines in roughly 50% of all original episodes since Biden was inaugurated—and all but one of those episodes featured a claim that undermined vaccines or vaccination efforts.

The state reported a new single-day high of 67,090 cases on Wednesday, a 64.5% increase in just the last day, Governor Kathy Hochul said. The unprecedented total came amid a recent high in the number of daily tests—362,594—for a positivity rate of 18.5%.

Hospitalizations are escalating exponentially too, rounding out at about 6,767 total statewide as of Wednesday, Hochul said. That is a 10% increase over Tuesday's admissions and perilously close to the 2021 highs around 8,700 from January.

Florida reported 46,923 new COVID cases, the largest single-day increase of COVID cases since the pandemic began and nearly double the previous peak during the summer, when the deadly delta variant was surging, according to Wednesday's report to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

South Florida is leading the surge of COVID cases. Last week, the three most populous counties in the state saw the biggest case increases—with new infections rising by 354% in Miami-Dade, 400% in Broward, and 395% in Palm Beach for the week ended December 23rd.

With a caseload nearly twice that of the worst single days of last winter, the United States shattered its record for new daily coronavirus cases, a milestone that may still fall short of describing the true toll of the Delta and Omicron variants because testing has slowed over the holidays.

As a second year of living with the pandemic was drawing to a close, the new daily case total topped 488,000 on Wednesday.

Wednesday's seven-day average of new daily cases, 301,000, was also a record, compared with 267,000 the day before. In the past week, more than two million cases have been reported nationally, and 15 states and territories reported more cases than in any other seven-day period.

Virginia public health leaders urged residents with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 cases to avoid making emergency hospital visits as the state sees a surge of coronavirus infections.

The Virginia Department of Health and Virginia Hospital and Healthcare Association said that people who have asymptomatic or mild COVID-19 cases or other nonserious illnesses often can recover at home or seek primary treatment as needed, avoiding the need to go to the hospital.

According to the two agencies, "daily COVID-19 hospitalizations have risen from 922 on December 1st to 2,101 as of today (December 30th), a 128 percent increase in that time."

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that can't be...some very smart people on the internet said covid was harmless to children. I'm so confused now

The omicron-fueled surge that is sending COVID-19 cases rocketing in the U.S. is putting children in the hospital in record numbers, and experts lament that most of the youngsters are not vaccinated.

"It's just so heartbreaking," said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious-disease expert at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "It was hard enough last year, but now you know that you have a way to prevent all this."

During the week of December 22–28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66% increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Assuming that was true, it sounds like you're saying that 2% is a perfectly acceptable number when the deaths are largely avoidable if people just looked after each other and took basic precautions. I mean, a mask is a small ask, but we've seen how people react to that.

Outside of a genuine medical issue that prevents or at the very least discourages vaccinations (and I know they exist), I don't know. Lack of empathy?

The 2 percent that died are the 70+ cohort and obese people.

I refuse to change my habits for people who are already going to die anyways, or for people who make bad health decisions.

Obesity costs taxpayers billions of dollars a year and no one is asking for fat people to lose weight.

You think a lack of empathy is the only reason doctors wouldn't go through a medical procedure ? Not their medical expertise ?

Do you think a huge population of nurses, who would be the closest to patients receiving various types of covid treatment including the vaxx, quit their jobs instead of getting jabbed because a lack of empathy as well ?

Have you seen the adjusted Italian figures for covid ? The number went from 130k of people who died WITH covid, to just 4k who died FROM covid.

I'm sure other countries have figures that are similarly inflated.