Originally posted by DarkSaint85Comics...
Yeah...but sans forcefields, is there an explanation for his durability?
Originally posted by -Pr-mmm because the only Stats that matter in comics are things like whose book is it and what level of power is needed for the situation to be dramatic. Tbh, whilst things like Shooter's check list improved the consistancy of power levels in comics they are certainly not something which can be defined enough that kind of scientific statistics can be taken or applied. Look at handbooks. We ban things like Marvel Vs DC due to Wolverine beating Lobo but in honesty far greater outliers happen in books all the time. There was a time, for instance, when the Celestials were so far above Pantheon Gods that pacts had to be made, lately they've been kicked around by Loki and the Avengers. Stats mean nothing, times change, writers change, popularity changes or a writer just decides wouldn't it be cool if Thor killed Galactus or Spidey beat Firelord etc. Rinse and repeat.
It's a comic book vs forum. Why wouldn't stats be important? Or am I missing something?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does IM always use forcefields? Otherwise, unless he uses materials like Adamantium and vibranium, the metals he uses should be pretty flimsy compared to comic heralds and metas....
Not always. Although you can never be sure with the skintight personal ff type, Mags and Juggs have the same problem.
Stark uses special alloys which don't exist irl and can change when powered up, for example getting all hard (YES, as kinky and as silly as it sounds, but Tony's inventions have a history of being wacky... remember his turbo roller skates? Tiny transistors? Or repulsors suddenly becoming the multi-purpose uber tech capable of miracles and changing the world?).
Some stories have him shrugging off ground zero explosions and Class 100s, other have him jobbing to Peter Parker.
Aquaman needs 5-6 more Geoff Johnses giving him a handie for like a decade to catch up with the big boys.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWAquamarine actually has caught up with big boys he loves a male Orca according to Namor.
Not always. Although you can never be sure with the skintight personal ff type, Mags and Juggs have the same problem.Stark uses special alloys which don't exist irl and can change when powered up, for example getting all hard (YES, as kinky and as silly as it sounds, but Tony's inventions have a history of being wacky... remember his turbo roller skates? Tiny transistors? Or repulsors suddenly becoming the multi-purpose uber tech capable of miracles and changing the world?).
Some stories have him shrugging off ground zero explosions and Class 100s, other have him jobbing to Peter Parker.
Aquaman needs 5-6 more Geoff Johnses giving him a handie for like a decade to catch up with the big boys.
Agreed re the power levels, Iron man's stats are all over the place.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Comics... mmm because the only Stats that matter in comics are things like whose book is it and what level of power is needed for the situation to be dramatic. Tbh, whilst things like Shooter's check list improved the consistancy of power levels in comics they are certainly not something which can be defined enough that kind of scientific statistics can be taken or applied. Look at handbooks. We ban things like Marvel Vs DC due to Wolverine beating Lobo but in honesty far greater outliers happen in books all the time. There was a time, for instance, when the Celestials were so far above Pantheon Gods that pacts had to be made, lately they've been kicked around by Loki and the Avengers. Stats mean nothing, times change, writers change, popularity changes or a writer just decides wouldn't it be cool if Thor killed Galactus or Spidey beat Firelord etc. Rinse and repeat.
pr1983
Do you... not know what board you're on?
Originally posted by -Pr-I am aware, I am on a board where adult men argue over which fictional being would beat which other fictional being based on printed still drawings and printed text. Where characters come back from the dead, universes come back from the dead and everything is in a constant state of dynamic equilibrium.
pr1983Do you... not know what board you're on?
I'd be autistic if I believed any of that was quantifiable or important, wouldn't I?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I am aware, I am on a board where adult men argue over which fictional being would beat which other fictional being based on printed still drawings and printed text. Where characters come back from the dead, universes come back from the dead and everything is in a constant state of dynamic equilibrium.I'd be autistic if I believed any of that was quantifiable or important, wouldn't I?
I believe it's not appropriate to believe you decide what aspect of a hobby should or should not be important to anyone. It's a hobby after all. You get out of it what you get out of it.
Originally posted by -Pr-To quote comic book guy...
I believe it's not appropriate to believe you decide what aspect of a hobby should or should not be important to anyone. It's a hobby after all. You get out of it what you get out of it.
"But Aquaman you cannot marry a woman with gills, you are from two different worlds".
I'm certainly not deciding what anyone should like. I'm merely stating comics have inbuilt inconsistencies that make the characters as powerful as they need to be. Stats are ridiculous. Iron Man can make his Phoenix buster armour or his armour that one shots Captain Marvel. He can also defeat Hercules with mains voltage...
People can get whatever enjoyment they need from comics for sure.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
To quote comic book guy..."But Aquaman you cannot marry a woman with gills, you are from two different worlds".
I'm certainly not deciding what anyone should like. I'm merely stating comics have inbuilt inconsistencies that make the characters as powerful as they need to be. Stats are ridiculous. Iron Man can make his Phoenix buster armour or his armour that one shots Captain Marvel. He can also defeat Hercules with mains voltage...
People can get whatever enjoyment they need from comics for sure.
I just don't get the reason for the statement, is all. I don't mean to be combative, I just feel like... do you think we didn't all know this already, or something?
Like I said, I could be missing something. Just seemed strange to me was all.
Originally posted by -Pr-I've said before on many occasions that scans and prophets of scans killed comic forums. Because they destroyed common sense... What is Iron Man's greatest feat? The fact he can pull a macguffin new armour like the Godbuster out of his arse and go toe to toe with Celestials... or whip up an armour for dealing with Dark elves etc. I'm sure you all know this if you are sane that trying to find the meaning hidden in a comic page is the same as doing it with the Koran or the Bible. Fictional stories, with fictional characters are fun... Aquaman has had a hand of water, a hook, several tridents etc. Most of these are like Tony's armour for deus ex machina plot lines and ex nihilo endings.
I just don't get the reason for the statement, is all. I don't mean to be combative, I just feel like... do you think we didn't all know this already, or something?Like I said, I could be missing something. Just seemed strange to me was all.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I've said before on many occasions that scans and prophets of scans killed comic forums. Because they destroyed common sense... What is Iron Man's greatest feat? The fact he can pull a macguffin new armour like the Godbuster out of his arse and go toe to toe with Celestials... or whip up an armour for dealing with Dark elves etc. I'm sure you all know this if you are sane that trying to find the meaning hidden in a comic page is the same as doing it with the Koran or the Bible. Fictional stories, with fictional characters are fun... Aquaman has had a hand of water, a hook, several tridents etc. Most of these are like Tony's armour for deus ex machina plot lines and ex nihilo endings.
I don't disagree.
I just think that coming in here and saying that is like going in to a pub and telling people how great sobriety is. I mean, it's not wrong, it just seems... pointless, to me. Debating which character can beat which (and i use the word debate loosely) doesn't work without creating standards and frameworks.
Though it would be easier if writers weren't so damn lazy a lot of the time.