Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Todd never clicks on KMC links, Galan.Aikido hold worked fine on Wundarr, so it doesn't matter if Vader uses gestures or not.
Akido literally uses no power at all though.
Contrast with the metal arms that couldn't even keep enough grip on two fleshy's.
Since the force isn't aikido, it's a fair question to ask whether he can grip a throat any more then he could force push him away.
Originally posted by cdtmWhen Vader chokes someone, he is literally just compelling the Force around his target's trachea to constrict. I don't know how much more "low energy" it gets.
Akido literally uses no power at all though.Contrast with the metal arms that couldn't even keep enough grip on two fleshy's.
Since the force isn't aikido, it's a fair question to ask whether he can grip a throat any more then he could force push him away.
Originally posted by Galan007
The hand gesture thing is primarily inserted for visual purposes -- so that we, the audience, know what ability he's using... He doesn't need to use hand gestures at all, though:
https://i.imgur.com/4pLDLqX.mp4https://ibb.co/f1LdmgL
https://ibb.co/sjscLySThat said, even if Vader *had* to use hand gestures to preform the choke, that certainly doesn't mean he's putting some great deal of effort into it:
https://ibb.co/XLqgj34...And loads of other examples. As abilities go, Vader's choke is about as casual as it gets.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
so how low does the energy need to be for the field to ignore it? because force attacks seem like a pretty considerable amount of energy manipulation.
Low enough that he can be grabbed by say, Cap, or choked out by the Quantum Man. Low enough that he doesn't freeze to death (*some* heat can go through) low enough that he can hear (*some* sound gets through), low enough that he can see (*some* light gets through) etc etc.
I saw a Force choke as the same amount of energy as a normal choke with hands. Maybe if Aquarian had armour plating in his neck, which necessitated more energy to be applied, then a Force Choke would be negated.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXSome Force attacks do require a significant expenditure of energy... Like when Vader TKs an AT-AT, or Palpatine Force Lightnings a Rebel fleet.
so how low does the energy need to be for the field to ignore it? because force attacks seem like a pretty considerable amount of energy manipulation.
But as mentioned ad nauseam: Force chokes are different in that respect. All Vader is doing is precisely constricting the Force around his target's trachea. He can give them a light "harder daddy" squeeze(just enough to slowly strangle the target into unconsciousness)... Or he can end things right away, by completely constricting/crushing the trachea.
Either way, there isn't much energy being used. It's basically the difference between Vader slowly constricting the Force in a very small area, or rapidly constricting it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85A few of Vader's victims have described being Force choked as akin to an invisible hand around their neck. So yeah, it at least feels similar from the target's POV.
I saw a Force choke as the same amount of energy as a normal choke with hands.
That's what it feels like from the target's perspective. What Vader is really doing is influencing the Force directly around the circumference of their trachea, and constricting it.
It's more akin to a severe asthma attack: the trachea tightens more and more until the victim goes unconscious... If he wants you to die slowly, that is.
So if Aquarian's null-field can negate the energy of an asthma attack, then I guess it could negate Vader's choke. But since Aquarian wasn't an asthmatic afaik, I don't think any proof exists to support this(the fact that he was physically choked-out on panel notwithstanding.)
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
so he's creating an invisible hand construct around their throat? why wouldnt the field register and block that?
Because Cap's aikido hold worked perfectly on Aquarian.
Vader is not going full savage like Windu did with Grievous in Legends (with Force Crush) --- Force Grip/Choke is more subtle (usually, that is, unless Vader is angered or wants to end things quickly with a neck snap), more precise; targets only the neck and throat area.
We still can't be sure of how it would really work, because Force doesn't exist in the MU and Wundarr is incredibly obscure, Saint is his only fan in the omniverse.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Because Cap's aikido hold worked perfectly on Aquarian.Vader is not going full savage like Windu did with Grievous in Legends (with Force Crush) --- Force Grip/Choke is more subtle (usually, that is, unless Vader is angered or wants to end things quickly with a neck snap), more precise; targets only the neck and throat area.
We still can't be sure of how it would really work, because Force doesn't exist in the MU and Wundarr is incredibly obscure, Saint is his only fan in the omniverse.
Yep.
A shame, Wundarr's Null Field could be as fun as Speedball's kinetic field, which has been far more explored.
Speedball vs Wundarr would be the stuff of legends.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Because Cap's aikido hold worked perfectly on Aquarian.Vader is not going full savage like Windu did with Grievous in Legends (with Force Crush) --- Force Grip/Choke is more subtle (usually, that is, unless Vader is angered or wants to end things quickly with a neck snap), more precise; targets only the neck and throat area.
We still can't be sure of how it would really work, because Force doesn't exist in the MU and Wundarr is incredibly obscure, Saint is his only fan in the omniverse.
It would absolutely work, and Wundarr would die.