HOTM Hulk vs Hal Jordan

Originally posted by Stoic
Before this sinks to the bottom, I’m truly hoping that people understand that weakness exploitation does not always mean more powerful. In this case, it means that one character has a one sided advantage over the other. Let’s not pretend as if Hal’s shields at starting distances could withstand a barrage of concussive long range
attacks from this version of the Hulk. Savage Hulk’s thunder claps alone have damaged the fabric of space. This is an entirely different Hulk. And yes Abhi, the Green Scar had full access to his power source. He had unlimited power. Not that you need that to defeat Hal, unless of course Hal’s shields were able to withstand the concussive barrage. There was no hard limit set on how powerful he could become. Do I detect a lowball on the way? Credit where it’s due.

Originally posted by Booya_69
Unfortunately, I don't.

That only means that the opinions have gotten to you. This Hulk was as powerful as he needed to be, and lol at the starting distance. As if the Hulk has to stand there and wait for the shrink-o-matic ringo ray to encapsulate him and turn him into a Micronaut. Lol. Like wtf stops him from using planet destroying thunderclaps over and over again. Oh because Hal is phucking winvincible? Come again?

Do I hear a One Shot? Could this possibly be one?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How does this hulk has unlimited power?

How do you think that he was ramping up so fast? Did that power come out of thin air?

Originally posted by Stoic
How do you think that he was ramping up so fast? Did that power come out of thin air?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I always wondered y someone with TK didn't just ping pong Hulk around. It's not like he could stop it

I already posted a scan of Hulk overcoming TK without even trying. It was mentioned that moving Hulk is like shifting a mountain. Comics logic but it is what it is. So no, TK won't work.

Why wouldn't it work?

Telekinetics, much like speedsters, are quite useless outside of our forum.

@Dark

Because Hulk is built different. Blame the comics, not me.

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark

Because Hulk is built different. Blame the comics, not me.

But how do you get that 'ALL TK is useless against Hulk' from that showing?

There are a number of arguments against it, after all.

1. Low showing for Cable. You and I both know these low showings exist in comics. Snakes vs Hulk, for example.
2. Hyperbole. You and I both know these exist in comics - Batwing took an explosion a week later, that was like being punched by God, for example.
3. No limits fallacy. Someone who can lift more than a mountain (assuming the above two points are invalid) can lift Hulk (as per you). Thus, TK DOES work on Hulk, just not 'mountain-level' TK.

That was Hulk not resisting Cable TK (mountain statement). Him resisting it is a different beast all together. The showing is there, don't know why you're trying to discredit it. You don't do the same for other characters. Anyways, TK wouldn't work, even with a team backing it (remember, Rogue couldn't even lift him off the ground and she was grabbing on to his head trying to fly him up and he resisted).

Originally posted by carver9
That was Hulk not resisting Cable TK (mountain statement). Him resisting it is a different beast all together. The showing is there, don't know why you're trying to discredit it. You don't do the same for other characters. Anyways, TK wouldn't work, even with a team backing it (remember, Rogue couldn't even lift him off the ground and she was grabbing on to his head trying to fly him up and he resisted).

That's a whole lot of words to say 'I can't refute anything, DS'.

I guess even when resisting, snakes can choke Hulk out (remember, the showings are there), and Batwing can take Thor/TOAA punching him lmao. WW, even when bloodlusted and amped, can't take a weakend Batman out (even with a sucker punch), and Flash is faster than speed.

Besides, did you not say this?

Originally posted by carver9
In my post that you just quoted, I said budge. Again (sigh), if you can't budge something then you can't move it in my opinion. Being unable to budge something means you can not move it. Lifting is a movement, so no, "I", Carver9, do not think Hulk can be lifted unless you have the power to shift a mountain.

I've said this on numerous of occasions.

TK DOES work, you just need mountain+ power to do so, according to you, Carver9.

So to reply to the original point, just use mountain+ TK power levels.

And then, Batwing would just tank it with his body:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A few weeks ago, Cable said shifting Hulk was like shifting a mountain. This week, Fox says a bomb is like being punched by God.👆

sneer

Originally posted by Stoic
That only means that the opinions have gotten to you. This Hulk was as powerful as he needed to be, and lol at the starting distance. As if the Hulk has to stand there and wait for the shrink-o-matic ringo ray to encapsulate him and turn him into a Micronaut. Lol. Like wtf stops him from using planet destroying thunderclaps over and over again. Oh because Hal is phucking winvincible? Come again?

Do I hear a One Shot? Could this possibly be one?

Hold on now my guy, I simply questioned if hal can pull off such a feat against an opponent of this caliber. Abhi showed scans of hal doing it to a "universe destroyer"
I haven't really chosen a winner lol. So I take it you think this version of Hulk is a universal threat?

@Dark...

I'm ignoring your low showings comment since this obviously not a low showing. Also, I literally said Hulk wasn't trying to resist TK and it still didn't work. Him resisting is different. Don't know why you're disputing this when Hulk PHYSICALLY have done some impossible crap his entire career. TK doesn't work.

Originally posted by Booya_69
Hold on now my guy, I simply questioned if hal can pull off such a feat against an opponent of this caliber. Abhi showed scans of hal doing it to a "universe destroyer"
I haven't really chosen a winner lol. So I take it you think this version of Hulk is a universal threat?

https://ibb.co/HgKYdcR

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...

I'm ignoring your low showings comment since this obviously not a low showing. Also, I literally said Hulk wasn't trying to resist TK and it still didn't work. Him resisting is different. Don't know why you're disputing this when Hulk PHYSICALLY have done some impossible crap his entire career. TK doesn't work.

Why isn't it a low showing for Cable?

And then you ignored my other points.

@Dark...

Why is it a low showing for Cable? Because he couldn't lift Hulk? That's just a good showing for Hulk.

Is it a low showing for Zod that Hal lost against him? Is it a low showing for that universal being thar Hal shrunk? Didn't see you questioning that ft.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Universal destroyer is a little beyond herald tier I guess.

Here you go Saint... question Abhi.

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...

Why is it a low showing for Cable? Because he couldn't lift Hulk? That's just a good showing for Hulk.

Is it a low showing for Zod that Hal lost against him? Is it a low showing for that universal being thar Hal shrunk? Didn't see you questioning that ft.

Because Cable has lifted Onslaught controlled Hulk before. Rogue has casually lifted 50tons etc.

Moreover, you ignored my other points. Has Batwing taken a punch from God? Not A god, GOD.

AND my last point, which I guess you agree on. Just because Cable failed, doesn't mean others would, does it? Or is Cable the best there is?

Originally posted by carver9
https://ibb.co/HgKYdcR

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ramping up fast is supposed to make your power infinite? You know who has literally been said to have infinite power, unlike the Hulk? Flash. Should I treat him as unbeatable now?

The Hulks power doesn’t com from him even though he is directly linked to it. A hi you’re playing dumb. What phucks with me when you act like this is that it attempts to drag me down to that train of thought, which is not going to happen. We’ve all acknowledged Hal’s ability to do what he does, but what if it isn’t enough. Is the Hulk. Excuse me… is this version of the Hulk, which his elevated intellect supposed to sit in one spot and wait for Hal to perforn these maneuvers on him?

This works both ways. They are both there to battle to the best of their abilities. How does Hal survive the Hulk’s concussive force? Remember, this is HOTM Hulk, which means that he is in that mindset and isn’t holding back to the point that he was on Earth.

I ask again, can Hal survive the Green Scar Hulk’s concussive long range attacks? They were capable of being far more than planetary level, as was the intent when written. Placing a spin on things; as in our individual opinions mean nothing if they deviate from canon.

The Hulk’s power derives from the Gamma-verse, so with that said, he has unlimited dynamic strength, as was his power since his inception/creation. The difference here is that this is an extremely mature, sober, and in full control of his power source. Go back and read Planet Hulk if you are in doubt.

The starting distance is crazy, because before Hal can will himself up enough to shield a couple of these planet destroying thunder claps, the Hulk can at will go ape shit spamming them. This isn’t about him being unbeatable, all characters can be beaten. This is about the options that they both possess in accordance to their personality. What do they do? How does this play out?

I’m just hoping that people will see the possibilities on both sides. I don’t care if either win, just that we try to see this battle in real time with an open mind.