Gladiator vs Hercules

Originally posted by carver9
Lmao, at the same time. She lost control during the same time Hyperion was punching him. I don't get how you think they could've molded those two scenes together into one panel. The first punch didn't transform him because he was still the Hulk. Hyperion was prepping for a second punch but Hulk changed to Banner. How in the F do you think Hyperion can transmute someone to something? The only time Hulk has been turned to Banner is when he is koed. I don't get how you feel Hyperion have some type magical power to where he can revert people. Can he punch Captain Marvel back to Billy? What about Black Adam, can he revert him back to his former self? If he can, tell me the name of this ability.

idiot, when banner gets punched, he turns into the hulk

when hulk gets punched, he remain hulk form as a defense mechanism, unless he was overpowered (this case)

aren't you a hulk fan?

hulk was bloodlusted and amped during that fight
hype was pulling back fighting a friend, and they fought evenly
when abyss lost control, the amped hulk turned back to savage hulk, hype one punched him back to banner right after
hype came out of fight with no damage (hulk only drew blood from pussy sneak attack), hulk had a black eye

if hulk was able to handle hyperion's last punch he would've stayed in form and keep fighting, that's how hulk is.

Originally posted by MrMind
idiot, when banner gets punched, he turns into the hulk

when hulk gets punched, he remain hulk form as a defense mechanism, unless he was overpowered (this case)

aren't you a hulk fan?

hulk was bloodlusted and amped during that fight
hype was pulling back fighting a friend, and they fought evenly
when abyss lost control, the amped hulk turned back to savage hulk, hype one punched him back to banner right after
hype came out of fight with no damage (hulk only drew blood from pussy sneak attack), hulk had a black eye

if hulk was able to handle hyperion's last punch he would've stayed in form and keep fighting, that's how hulk is.

I dont.... understand...this... post. 🤷🏾‍♂️

You won.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I considered that, and honestly I'm not sure. I mean, if we suppose that Claremont always intended to write Colossus as having bones/blood/muscles in metal form, I'd be all right with it. But I'm not sure he did.

Why would it matter?

It's organic steel. Not steel-steel. You're thinking of him as of a golem-like construct, when he never was that.

Thing (originally) was meant to be one solid piece of rock and rocky organs, too. He still felt every blow.

Colossus registers pain just fine, too.

Then you have characters made of f*cking sand, mud, tar, chewing gum, water, ice, light or electricity, who tend to have limits/get worn out, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why would it matter?

It's organic steel. Not steel-steel. You're thinking of him as of a golem-like construct, when he never was that.

Thing (originally) was meant to be one solid piece of rock and rocky organs, too. He still felt every blow.

Colossus registers pain just fine, too.

Then you have characters made of f*cking sand, mud, tar, chewing gum, water, ice, light or electricity, who tend to have limits/get worn out, too.

Hey, I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

I just don't think the fight is very consistent if we're going to argue that Colossus was Gladiator's equal on the day. That's it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hey, I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

Then what were you saying, exactly?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I just don't think the fight is very consistent if we're going to argue that Colossus was Gladiator's equal on the day. That's it.

I think it's very consistent, given character statements, impartial narrator and the fight itself.

Not to mention blaming the outcome of the fight solely on the outside factor. And "environmental damage" is quite looney tunes in comics, I remind you.

If you believe the fight is a low feat for Glads and a high feat for Colossus, okay, but the comic went into detail showing them as equals or near-equals.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Then what were you saying, exactly?

I think it's very consistent, given character statements, impartial narrator and the fight itself.

Not to mention blaming the outcome of the fight solely on the outside factor. And "environmental damage" is quite looney tunes in comics, I remind you.

If you believe the fight is a low feat for Glads and a high feat for Colossus, okay, but the comic went into detail showing them as equals or near-equals.

I'm talking about how Claremont didn't write Colossus the way we imagine him now, or how even Marvel does. For example, do we agree that Colossus is in many ways the same? Organs? Bones? Blood? He doesn't need to eat or breathe in metal form, but that doesn't mean he can't, as he would still have a stomach. And that he has blood.

But in Uncanny 212, Claremont wrote him as not having a heartbeat, and not being able to bleed. Not having "the slightest physical sign of life".

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As far as the fight goes, the inconsistency I'm talking about if we're portraying them as equals. If you look at it as Colossus being able to hang with him for a little while? It works. But painting them as near enough equals that Colossus would/could have won if he hadn't gone in to fight less than fresh? It doesn't work for me.

I don’t know if this helps Pr but theoretically Colossus should have a power level of Magneto.

He's no... whats her name, Mercury? That too would be cool.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm talking about how Claremont didn't write Colossus the way we imagine him now, or how even Marvel does. For example, do we agree that Colossus is in many ways the same? Organs? Bones? Blood? He doesn't need to eat or breathe in metal form, but that doesn't mean he can't, as he would still have a stomach. And that he has blood.

But in Uncanny 212, Claremont wrote him as not having a heartbeat, and not being able to bleed. Not having "the slightest physical sign of life".

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As far as the fight goes, the inconsistency I'm talking about if we're portraying them as equals. If you look at it as Colossus being able to hang with him for a little while? It works. But painting them as near enough equals that Colossus would/could have won if he hadn't gone in to fight less than fresh? It doesn't work for me.

What's Colossus most impressive arc? Break world is my favorite

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's Colossus most impressive arc? Break world is my favorite

If you mean an arc that shows off his powers the most? Breakworld is a good one yeah like you said, and Whedon's run in general pushed him hard as being the X-Men's tank, so that's a solid choice. He's just back from the dead, he's got a nice amp, and Whedon let him run a but wild at times.

There's the time he was the Juggernaut, but honestly I found that to be really underwhelming. Same as the Phoenix powers stuff.

Inferno, or the time around then, portrayed Colossus as being one X-Man that demons didn't want to **** with in general, as his organic steel skin was stated to have properties similar to iron, which in mythology has been to demons what silver is to vampires.

Bar that, it's more just him having a moment or two in major arcs. When he punched through Legion. When he killed a T-Rex in human form. When he broke free of vibranium bonds. When he lost his virginity in a threeway with two Savage Land cavewomen. When Psylocke agreed to pose nude for a portrait from him.... What was I saying?

Lol it kinda sounds like in the50? Years of his appearances, it's pretty much the 'modern' era (Whedon onwards) where he has good arcs.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm talking about how Claremont didn't write Colossus the way we imagine him now, or how even Marvel does. For example, do we agree that Colossus is in many ways the same? Organs? Bones? Blood? He doesn't need to eat or breathe in metal form, but that doesn't mean he can't, as he would still have a stomach. And that he has blood.

They still can't decide on the exact nature of his powers to this day.

But if we know anything, it's that he can be hurt and cumulative effects of blows still count, even if his armor doesn't get penetrated:

Originally posted by -Pr-
But in Uncanny 212, Claremont wrote him as not having a heartbeat, and not being able to bleed. Not having "the slightest physical sign of life".

Cool, another trait he shares with the Thing.

Reed had the same trouble with Ben, it's nothing new for armored bricks. Another trope at this point:

Originally posted by -Pr-

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As far as the fight goes, the inconsistency I'm talking about if we're portraying them as equals. If you look at it as Colossus being able to hang with him for a little while? It works. But painting them as near enough equals that Colossus would/could have won if he hadn't gone in to fight less than fresh? It doesn't work for me.

Fair enough.

PS. Check your PM box.

I always considered Colossus metal all the way through. Same with Ben. It sucks they made them snails basically

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol it kinda sounds like in the50? Years of his appearances, it's pretty much the 'modern' era (Whedon onwards) where he has good arcs.

In terms of feats, yes, the Whedon-onwards years focused more heavily on his abilities (and he looked more impressive due to his amp(s) etc).

As a character, though? Colossus has not been given centre stage in years the way he was under Claremont. There are numerous runs that feature him heavily and his evolution as a character. His almost/not quite romance with Kitty Pryde is pretty prominent, and Colossus has an arc that goes on for years.

The flipside is that the X-Men have had issues with roster-bloat for years, and it only got worse in the 90s. I mean, these are the same heroes that in 1991 filled out two (yes TWO) 6-7 person teams of superheroes as their main roster. Characters like Nightcrawler, Colossus and Shadowcat were, if they hadn't been already, shuffled off to other books or just left out entirely, when they could have easily taken centre-stage in X-books (and had before then).

but yes, in short: plenty of character stuff, just not as much quantifiable fighty stuff. A lot of Colossus's appearances are Worf-effecting him without actually hurting him because he was written as incredibly hard to kill.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They still can't decide on the exact nature of his powers to this day.

But if we know anything, it's that he can be hurt and cumulative effects of blows still count, even if his armor doesn't get penetrated:

Cool, another trait he shares with the Thing.

Reed had the same trouble with Ben, it's nothing new for armored bricks. Another trope at this point:

Fair enough.

PS. Check your PM box.

Sounds like we agree with the broad strokes, it's just the odd minutiae that ****s us up.

Seen and replied. Sorry about that.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I always considered Colossus metal all the way through. Same with Ben. It sucks they made them snails basically

The majority of evidence suggests that Colossus is metal all the way through. In modern times, the most common suggestions says he has metal bones, metal muscles, metal blood cells even. He's had metal bones broken and needed to be reset. He's had sex in metal form.

He doesn't have a soft, squishy centre.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Sounds like we agree with the broad strokes, it's just the odd minutiae that ****s us up.

Seen and replied. Sorry about that.

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Pretty surprising Claremont had him fighting Gladiator instead of Neutron, if you ask me.

Not that I'm complaining, it remains one of his best feats to this day... it's just that Neutron seems to be his counterpart on the Imperial Guard.

PS. The other time Colossus faced a Superman clone didn't end too well for him, non-616:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/92058035970/colossus-vs-king-hyperion-from-exiles-2001

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Pretty surprising Claremont had him fighting Gladiator instead of Neutron, if you ask me.

Not that I'm complaining, it remains one of his best feats to this day... it's just that Neutron seems to be his counterpart on the Imperial Guard.

PS. The other time Colossus faced a Superman clone didn't end too well for him, non-616:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/92058035970/colossus-vs-king-hyperion-from-exiles-2001

Yeah Neutron would have been the obvious choice.

lol, poor Colossus.

And iirc Exiles Mimic once fought Hyperion, though I don't recall what level of potency Mimic was compared to the original.

Neutron actually seems like a good character. I wish Marvel did mor spotlight stuff highlighting those lesser knowns

Originally posted by -Pr-
And iirc Exiles Mimic once fought Hyperion, though I don't recall what level of potency Mimic was compared to the original.

At least twice, actually:

1. https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/134590423305/hyperion-vs-mimic-from-exiles-2001-45

2. https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/90859301485/mimic-vs-hyperion-from-exiles-2001-64

Exiles Mimic was heroic and stable, regarding his mental state and his powers. It's one of the rare cases when the alternate version of the character is far more popular among the fans than the mainstream one.

616 Mimic is horribly written - he's more nuts than Sentry and writers have no idea on what to do with him to this day.

Hype is such trash lol

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
At least twice, actually:

1. https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/134590423305/hyperion-vs-mimic-from-exiles-2001-45

2. https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/90859301485/mimic-vs-hyperion-from-exiles-2001-64

Exiles Mimic was heroic and stable, regarding his mental state and his powers. It's one of the rare cases when the alternate version of the character is far more popular among the fans than the mainstream one.

616 Mimic is horribly written - he's more nuts than Sentry and writers have no idea on what to do with him to this day.

Ah okay. I remembered the first, but not the second. Or maybe they blurred together. That was such a fun comic.

Yeah, poor Mimic.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hype is such trash lol

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