Batman vs Luke Cage.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Well the post was a joke, but Batman has randomly used gas powerful enough to effect stronger bricks than Luke. Had a gas grenade that affected Orion, and his cowl sprayed gas that hurt Grundy when Grodd controlling Grundy tried to remove it.

To be fair, Grundy gets hurt by everything.

But in full context... it was tear gas that just helped to break Grodd's telepathic hold over Grundy... same tear gas was used on normal human thugs without causing them serious harm [as seen in Hush arc, under the same writer].

However, he does have sonics, bat-foam, JLA-level explosives, electric batarangs and a shitload of other gear.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're thinking of gloves that fired energy bolts from distance.

He didn't actually need it to protect his hands or enhance his striking power.

Alzheimer's is a terrible disease, Todd. You're taking your pills, at least?

No, he also wore them while beating on Slade. Stands to reason they'd amp his punches just by the fact of being big arsed gauntlets, even if they didn't act like power armor (Which logically they probably did, since he could have as easily used a better dedicated projectile weapon if all he wanted was a blaster)

Plus Batman was trying to hit him in an earlier issue with them, with Slade asking if they increased his speed as well as his power..

So, you have nothing aside from your fanon? mmm

If you want to get technical, then Batman's standard kevlar gloves already protect his hands enough to strike Superman in the face repeatedly.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So, you have nothing aside from your fanon? mmm

If you want to get technical, then Batman's standard kevlar gloves already protect his hands enough to strike Superman in the face repeatedly.

Here's your proof:

https://www.comicextra.com/deathstroke-2016/chapter-32/14

https://www.comicextra.com/deathstroke-2016/chapter-32/15

Notice the first thing he does after they're charged is try and hit him? Same gauntlets.

Fair enough. Debatable, but fair enough.

It's a damn good thing that their effect is easily replaceable with a single batarang poke, eh?

😛

Originally posted by cdtm
Here's your proof:

https://www.comicextra.com/deathstroke-2016/chapter-32/14

https://www.comicextra.com/deathstroke-2016/chapter-32/15

Notice the first thing he does after they're charged is try and hit him? Same gauntlets.

Slade says the charged gauntlets were meant to fight Superman.

I think you lost your point somewhere.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, Grundy gets hurt by everything.

But in full context... it was tear gas that just helped to break Grodd's telepathic hold over Grundy... same tear gas was used on normal human thugs without causing them serious harm [as seen in Hush arc, under the same writer].

You didn't make an issue out of Grundy before, when you had a similar argument of Batman effect Top-Tiers.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You complained about the Public Enemies instance, when Grundy was initially mind-controlled (said control broke when he got exposed to Batman's tear gas)...

... so how about [b]this showing, then?

Posted it before, but you ignored it.

This time, it was Grundy who had the element of surprise against Bruce --- he still got KO'd. [/B]

Why is "Grundy gets hurt by everything" relevant now? That could just as easily been used against you at the time.

And it wouldn't be the first time human characters have survived something they shouldn't.

That's how the mask worked under Loeb.

Released the tear gas - nothing more, nothing less - when anyone tried to unmask Bruce... in order to stop them from doing that and to mess up their vision, before they got a chance to get a good look.

I was bursting Alberto's bubble who kept making excuses for Grundy. It doesn't take Bats to deal with Solomon... as the likes of Wildcat or Green Arrow have been more than enough.

Originally posted by Smurph
You said he needed the gauntlets to hurt Slade, who isn’t nearly as durable as Cage.

Slade says the charged gauntlets were meant to fight Superman.

I think you lost your point somewhere.

Has Todd ever had a point?

He's just posting whatever random thoughts he's having atm. Often unrelated with the topic at hand.

Guys of Batman’s strength level shouldn’t be able to hurt guys that have super levels of durability. Comic writers are weird. Gadgets? Sure why not? Physical blows, never.

Originally posted by Smurph
You said he needed the gauntlets to hurt Slade, who isn’t nearly as durable as Cage.

Slade says the charged gauntlets were meant to fight Superman.

I think you lost your point somewhere.

Maybe if Batman was a villian.

Batman doesn't kill. Logically, if he toy can hurt Superman and he's fighting someone who isn't nearly as durable as Superman, he wouldn't use a level of force needed to hurt Superman.

You can argue the gauntlets of overkill, but really most of his toys are less a sliding scale and more a switch: Sufficient for Riddler or Superman.

Anything above the Riddler/Penguin pay grade gets the gear designed to tackle herald level threats.

Originally posted by Stoic
Guys of Batman’s strength level shouldn’t be able to hurt guys that have super levels of durability. Comic writers are weird. Gadgets? Sure why not? Physical blows, never.

Maybe.

But it keeps happening. In both companies, under great many different writers.

Just recently, Shang was able to do this to Grimm:

At least exploiting the pressure points & weak spots makes far more sense than just punching bricks out --- although that sort of shit happens, too.

Keep in mind martial artists in comics can reach "supernatural" levels and do impossible stunts on a daily basis... don't confuse it with a real-life judo sparring.

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe if Batman was a villian.

Batman doesn't kill. Logically, if he toy can hurt Superman and he's fighting someone who isn't nearly as durable as Superman, he wouldn't use a level of force needed to hurt Superman.

You can argue the gauntlets of overkill, but really most of his toys are less a sliding scale and more a switch: Sufficient for Riddler or Superman.

Anything above the Riddler/Penguin pay grade gets the gear designed to tackle herald level threats.

You never get tired of strawmanning, do you?

It's a simple fact that Bats never needed power gauntlets in his career to hurt Slade. Not even in their very first fight, when Slade won.

Doesn't mean he's above using them in a fight with him. Slade doesn't exactly fight fair, either.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You never get tired of strawmanning, do you?

It's a simple fact that Bats never needed power gauntlets in his career to hurt Slade. Not even in their very first fight, when Slade won.

Doesn't mean he's above using them in a fight with him. Slade doesn't exactly fight fair, either.

Smurph made a statement, I directly addressed the statement. How is that a strawman?

Smurph, do you feel I strawmanned you? Not me intention, but..

As for your comment:

Never? 😱

Batman got his rear handed to him in their first encounter.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-df6e0183df1cffa922e38b3dad450858-pjlq

Shrugged off his punches and everything. This used to be considered the gold standard on how they measure up.

And I'm aware a lots changed since then, what with Slade suddenly becoming a JLA stomper in Identity Crisis, and then getting toned waaaay down under Snyder.

Frankly he's all over the place. But considering he was originally a Teen Titans beater, which included Robin/Nightwing, Cyborg, Kid Flash and such, I think Christopher Priest did a good interpretation of them.

Batman SHOULD need prep against a guy who can solo a team. He SHOULD need gear or planning. Random encounters SHOULD end up exactly like that scan.

In my opinion.

Originally posted by cdtm
Shrugged off his punches and everything.

No. He was all messed up from that fight:

Try reading for the first time in your life:

Not enough?

Maybe you want to see how weak exactly he was after that fight with Bats?

Here you go:

Now take your meds and keep your mouth shut or I'll put a bullet in your brain.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. He was all messed up from that fight:

Try reading for the first time in your life:

Not enough?

Maybe you want to see how weak exactly he was after that fight with Bats?

Here you go:

Now take your meds and keep your mouth shut or I'll put a bullet in your brain.

Wow, that was a lot of blood. Forgot how casually gory the 80's was.

They actually had Bloodsport kill children in his first appearance.

And ok, I may have forgotten and/or intentionally glossed over a minor detail or two. Pretty sure Bronze Tiger ended up looking pretty good as well...

Nonetheless in that Priest story at least, Batman did try and fail to cause major damage without the gauntlets. Remember when he tried breaking his neck, and Slade basically laughed about how he'd drown him first?

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe if Batman was a villian.

Batman doesn't kill. Logically, if he toy can hurt Superman and he's fighting someone who isn't nearly as durable as Superman, he wouldn't use a level of force needed to hurt Superman.

You can argue the gauntlets of overkill, but really most of his toys are less a sliding scale and more a switch: Sufficient for Riddler or Superman.

Anything above the Riddler/Penguin pay grade gets the gear designed to tackle herald level threats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Has Todd ever had a point?

He's just posting whatever random thoughts he's having atm. Often unrelated with the topic at hand.