Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That Reddit post just stole all of my arguments.
Originally posted by carver9
Seen this scan on numerous of occasions and it doesn't apply to the scene that involves Hulk. Also, comics after that, both Strange and Dormammu went all out on the same planet and nothing happened. You posting this is like me posting a scan of the Phantom Zone being the size of a planet. Feel confident you won't accept it.
Denial is strong with you.
Originally posted by carver9
WF destroyed a Multiverse or Universe? Scans please.
The multiverse. He planned replace the prime multiverse with his creation (another multiverse).
Originally posted by abhilegend
And the feat is suspect anyway.
Not sure that I buy that as, IIRC, multiple Mindless Ones were also destroyed by that explosion, and it was stated that those creatures can mine the insides of neutron stars, which would indicate their durability is pretty insane. If I were to run the numbers on that, I'm sure it would go significantly beyond the planet + moon calc.
They're just lowballing or trying to discredit anything not Superman. Pak already mentioned his goal throughout the run was to have Hulk destroy a planet. Also, they will lowball the Mindless Ones as well, using their lowest of fts but in THIS specific comic, the Mindless Ones were too powerful for Umar, someone who was amplified off of Dormammu powers, stacked on top of her owns.
Originally posted by carver9And that's what's wrong with this Forum. If it's not superman, it doesn't count. I know plenty of knowledgeable people who wanted to join this Forum but refuse to because of this Forums love for superman. Certain people on here ruined this place a long time ago. My staff won't even look at it anymore and my son and his friends refuse to read a single post. Smh.
They're just lowballing or trying to discredit anything not Superman. Pak already mentioned his goal throughout the run was to have Hulk destroy a planet. Also, they will lowball the Mindless Ones as well, using their lowest of fts but in THIS specific comic, the Mindless Ones were too powerful for Umar, someone who was amplified off of Dormammu powers, stacked on top of her owns.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I'm just trying to be impartial and analyze feats as objectively as possible, no matter what series or character they are from.
My 'take', as it were, is that I am not denying that the planet was destroyed. He's called WorldBreaker. Clue is in the name.
My argument, using Carver's, is that it's not made clear in the series that it's a pure strength feat - this is a Hulk that had incredible amounts of wishing well power on him, enough to amp multiple Savage Hulk level goes 1000x, Red She Hulk to his level, bring everyone back from being atomised for all eternity etc ....there was powerful juju at work here.
So saying that the magic contributed to the breaking of said world, isn't an impossible statement.
If people wish to debate honestly on it, I am game.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My 'take', as it were, is that I am not denying that the planet was destroyed. He's called WorldBreaker. Clue is in the name.My argument, using Carver's, is that it's not made clear in the series that it's a pure strength feat - this is a Hulk that had incredible amounts of wishing well power on him, enough to amp multiple Savage Hulk level goes 1000x, Red She Hulk to his level, bring everyone back from being atomised for all eternity etc ....there was powerful juju at work here.
So saying that the magic contributed to the breaking of said world, isn't an impossible statement.
If people wish to debate honestly on it, I am game.
My interpretation was that he was just finally allowed to let loose since the magic would keep fixing everything.
But I don't really do vs debating anymore. Just cataloguing, analyzing, and calculating feats nowadays.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
My interpretation was that he was just finally allowed to let loose since the magic would keep fixing everything.But I don't really do vs debating anymore. Just cataloguing, analyzing, and calculating feats nowadays.
👆 and sure, that's the general accepted thinking.
But it's to show how some things are just *accepted* without the need for proof, and we are all okay with that.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
My interpretation was that he was just finally allowed to let loose since the magic would keep fixing everything.But I don't really do vs debating anymore. Just cataloguing, analyzing, and calculating feats nowadays.
This. Why would Pak write magic as the cause when he outright said HULK destroyed the planet? Hulk only wish was to make sure everyone was revived when the planet was destroyed. The moon crumbled as well. Is magic the cause of that?
Originally posted by carver9
This. Why would Pak write magic as the cause when he outright said HULK destroyed the planet? Hulk only wish was to make sure everyone was revived when the planet was destroyed. The moon crumbled as well. Is magic the cause of that?
Why not? HULK still caused it, the only difference is it isn't directly through his punches, but through his magic.
And yes. All that damage.