Why are boys being attacked for being boys?

Originally posted by Robtard
Women tend to be weaker than men, both physically and in societal positions.

Women are physically weaker than men on average but they are perfectly capable of abusing both men, women and children.

Some studies for reference:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7658679/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10911359.2012.655988

There are good and bad women out there much like men.

Women are vocal about their problems but men are conditioned to toughen up and tolerate much in comparison.

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Women are not necessarily weaker in societal positions. They can manipulate others to do their bidding or get things done for them.

https://medium.com/illumination/how-women-manipulate-men-3319b28b7f3b

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9780429423819-1/women-elites-cynthia-fuchs-epstein

Many women are high achievers in organizations and some have become very powerful.

https://www.forbes.com/power-women/#29dd39f55e25

You need some exploring to do.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your homophobia and sexism aside for a minute...

You are quick to label others but you seem to be lacking in knowledge and exposure in person.

I do not know how (gay) men behave in your location. In my interactions, I recognized two men as gay and rejected advances of both. They mistook my friendly behavior for interest in them. I would like to feel relaxed in the company of men instead.

Now read this carefully:

- Men victimize other Men.
- Men victimize Women.
- Men victimize Children.
- Women victimize other Women.
- Women victimize Men.
- Women victimize Children.

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315310411-8/assessing-women-sexually-abuse-children-hilary-eldridge-ian-elliott-steven-gillespie-alexandra-bailey-anthony-beech

I am not sexist but being factual and honest.

I am rather women-friendly in life but I will call a spade a spade.

Originally posted by Robtard
1) what do you base this on?

Some realities of your country?

1. Institution of marriage is in decline.
2. Birth rates are plummeting.
3. Families are increasingly broken.
4. Children are increasingly confused and violent.

Ever wondered why there are so many mass shooting incidents in USA?

Following article nailed it:

In the vast majority of cases, we have someone who feels aggrieved—a family breakdown, a wife filing for divorce or a restraining order, being fired from a job, or even the pent-up sexual frustration borne from not being good with women.

Whatever the cause, easy access to a firearm at the time the perpetrator felt most aggrieved was what tipped the situation into violence. In a significant number of incidents, the perpetrator began shooting within an hour of receiving a piece of news that they clearly couldn’t process. In a few cases, it was just minutes before the perpetrator stormed out to their car, grabbed whatever firearms were there, and began shooting. One of them already had guns in his lunchbox, and had them ready when his boss told him he was fired, immediately going on his rampage.

People in a distressed or emotional state should not have easy access to firearms.

https://observer.com/2016/08/these-are-the-actual-reasons-mass-shootings-occur/

Originally posted by Robtard
2) what are "traditional family values" to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_family

https://www.britannica.com/topic/nuclear-family

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@S_W_LeGenD

Yet statically speaking, it's 1in4 women and 1in9 men who suffer intimate partner physical violence. Other forms of violence also favor women as the victims: https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS

You postulate that if a women reaches a position of power, then it's through "manipulation". And you wonder why you're called a sexist?

Your anecdotes of declining homosexual sexual advances mean nothing. It's yours views that two men (or women) being married is somehow wrong and bad for society, that's why you're a homophobe.

I asked what do you base your [u]"Society works best by promoting traditional family values at its core (marriage between man and woman, and absolute clarity of one's gender)"[/i] on. You just fired off a bunch of points that may or may not have direct relations as far as we know.

I agree that people with mental issues shouldn't have easy access to guns.

From your link: https://www.britannica.com/topic/nuclear-family

"nuclear family, also called elementary family, in sociology and anthropology, a group of people who are united by ties of partnership and parenthood and consisting of a pair of adults and their socially recognized children. Typically, but not always, the adults in a nuclear family are married. Although such couples are most often a man and a woman, the definition of the nuclear family has expanded with the advent of same-sex marriage. Children in a nuclear family may be the couple’s biological or adopted offspring."

Your views do not align with your own views...

@Robtard

You want to play labeling games with me? Sure.

This is you:

1. You underestimate women and seem to have "White Knight Syndrome."
2. You (are) SEXIST towards men because you downplay and dismiss problems of boys and men in any society.
3. You (are) a FEMINAZI because you are quick to declare another person 'sexist' who might disagree with your preconceived notions about women.
4. You show signs of RELIGIOPHOBIA because you are quick to declare another person 'homophobe' who might question LGBTQ+ movement without realizing that the person could be "religious/believer."

These points are aimed to make it clear to you labels can be put on anybody rather conveniently. I can judge you more harshly in fact, but this is not my intent here. I have nothing against you and I want to keep it this way. I have seen your debates and I am of the view that you have some good observations in relation to different themes. I give credit where due but I can see trolling and arrogance as well.

I provided some perspective to the member who created this thread because he desired a serious on-topic conversation but he wasn't getting any - some members trolled him instead. And you took offense with my post in particular.

You should try to converse without assigning labels and respect difference of opinion. WE can have a normal conversation, and you are welcome to defend your perspectives in our exchange. But if you are wrong about something then accept it with grace. Do not use labels as a method of defense (and substitute) for your lack of argument which seems to be the case here.

Yet statically speaking, it's 1in4 women and 1in9 men who suffer intimate partner physical violence. Other forms of violence also favor women as the victims: https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS

Statistics have created the impression that men are much more likely to abuse than women. But statistics are based on what exactly? REPORTED CASES.

I pointed out that women are much more vocal about their problems than men (i.e., women are much more likely to report abuse than men) because modern society encourage women in this regard. This is in part due to prevalence of Feminism and/or awareness created by Women Rights Activists.

"We know that while domestic violence does not discriminate when it comes to gender, men seem to not report abuse in the same way women do. In fact, many men remain silent because they think there’s no point in reporting the abuse because no one will ever believe them."

https://www.thehotline.org/resources/myths-around-men-experiencing-abuse/

"Men who experience domestic violence and abuse often don’t seek help until the problem becomes a crisis, researchers say.

Men tend to worry they would not be believed, or that they would be perceived as less masculine if they reported abuse, their analysis found."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-domestic-violence-men-idUSKCN1UC2EF

A film was made on this topic as well:

https://variety.com/1993/tv/reviews/men-don-t-tell-1200431762/

Watch it.

Honestly - any man would understand what I am trying to tell you in this case.

I do not think that men should complain all the time or develop victim mentality but men do tolerate lot of shit in life. Statistics will not show true level of abuse endured and tolerated by boys and men around the world. Boys are relatively vulnerable in fact.

You postulate that if a women reaches a position of power, then it's through "manipulation". And you wonder why you're called a sexist?

You are putting words in my mouth.

"Women have been more seriously disadvantaged in some countries than in others, but university enrollments of women are growing all over the world. Personal relationships with powerful men, and widowhood in particular, have presented the most important opportunity channel for women not only in politics but also in business."

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9780429423819-1/women-elites-cynthia-fuchs-epstein

I disagree with your assertion that women tend to be weaker in societal positions. This might be the case in some locations but not everywhere. Women have access to education and jobs around the world, and I have seen many privileged and/or accomplished women in life. There are some in my social circle as well.

The world have changed but women will continue to "complain." This is in their nature.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/29/women-feel-more-burned-out-at-work-survey.html

https://www.marriage.com/advice/relationship/why-do-women-complain-so-much/

https://www.oregonlive.com/advice/2019/12/ask-amy-fed-up-reader-wonders-why-woman-are-always-complaining-about-men.html

https://medium.com/inspired-writer/us-women-need-to-stop-complaining-about-men-7adaf01cd83a

Are you married? I am asking this question because you do not seem to understand female psychology.

Your anecdotes of declining homosexual sexual advances mean nothing. It's yours views that two men (or women) being married is somehow wrong and bad for society, that's why you're a homophobe.

Right.

I have not launched a crusade against homosexuals or close in person. I do consider promotion of homosexuality unproductive for the society due to following reasons:

1. Men cannot reproduce.

Humans are (sexual) beings; Male-Female Coupling is necessary for humans to perpetuate.

2. Anal sex is relatively risky and unhealthy.

https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

3. Homosexual men are noted to have a higher degree of psychological problems.

https://journals.lww.com/jonmd/Abstract/2015/07000/Understanding_Suicide_Attempts_Among_Gay_Men_From.4.aspx

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/suicide-coming-out-press-release/

Your society is normalizing LGBTQ+ decadence. Expert advice and scientific research will be intentionally fudged to make this decadence look normal and healthy and acceptable by extension. Now don't tell me that scientific research cannot be fudged.

You will see effects of LGBTQ+ decadence in 2 generations from now but life is short, right? And people never learn from history.

LGBTQ+ decadence is not something new but recurrence of degeneracy which was apparent in any civilization when it was in decline. Glubb Pasha captured this theme in his works:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fate-Empires-Search-Survival/dp/B00P7WZIV2

https://gulzar05.blogspot.com/2020/05/cycles-of-history-by-john-bagot-glubb.html

https://hikinginthelight.us/the-7-stages-of-all-great-nations-end-stage-guilt/

USA is entering the Age of Decadence and effects are showing.

1. Institution of marriage is in decline.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/analysis?ID=672F430A-8F6B-4E77-ABBF-009B041CFE17

2. Birth rates are plummeting.

https://www.prb.org/resources/why-is-the-u-s-birth-rate-declining/

https://econofact.org/the-mystery-of-the-declining-u-s-birth-rate

3. Families are increasingly broken.

https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/report/how-broken-families-rob-children-their-chances-future-prosperity

https://ifstudies.org/blog/family-breakdown-and-americas-welfare-system

But expert advice and scientific research will be intentionally fudged to make this decadence look normal and healthy and acceptable by extension:

https://www.ourfamilywizard.com/blog/todaye28099s-families-are-resilient-not-e2809cbrokene2809d

One of the most rigorous studies to date suggest otherwise:

"Nearly three decades of research evaluating the impact of family structure on the health and well-being of children demonstrates that children living with their married, biological parents consistently have better physical, emotional, and academic well-being. Pediatricians and society should promote the family structure that has the best chance of producing healthy children. The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage. Consequently, society should make every effort to support healthy marriages and to discourage married couples from divorcing."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240051/

4. Children are increasingly confused and violent.

"In the vast majority of cases, we have someone who feels aggrieved—a family breakdown, a wife filing for divorce or a restraining order, being fired from a job, or even the pent-up sexual frustration borne from not being good with women."

https://observer.com/2016/08/these-are-the-actual-reasons-mass-shootings-occur/

I asked what do you base your [u]"Society works best by promoting traditional family values at its core (marriage between man and woman, and absolute clarity of one's gender)"[/i] on. You just fired off a bunch of points that may or may not have direct relations as far as we know.

See above.

I agree that people with mental issues shouldn't have easy access to guns.

Appreciated.

From your link: https://www.britannica.com/topic/nuclear-family

"nuclear family, also called elementary family, in sociology and anthropology, a group of people who are united by ties of partnership and parenthood and consisting of a pair of adults and their socially recognized children. Typically, but not always, the adults in a nuclear family are married. Although such couples are most often a man and a woman, the definition of the nuclear family has expanded with the advent of same-sex marriage. Children in a nuclear family may be the couple’s biological or adopted offspring."

Your views do not align with your own views...

Thanks for pointing out that Britannica is not trustworthy source.

Traditional family values are following:

1. Marriage between a man and a woman.
2. Biological reproduction capability.
3. Children experience both Fatherhood and Motherhood which is good for their psychological development.

Religiophobia 😂

TLDR.

I stopped reading after his #1 point where he strawmanned me. Then my eye caught the very end where he did a 180* and attacked his own sources. That make me laugh

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Right.

I have not launched a crusade against homosexuals or close in person. I do consider promotion of homosexuality unproductive for the society due to following reasons:

1. Men cannot reproduce.

Humans are (sexual) beings; Male-Female Coupling is necessary for humans to perpetuate.

2. Anal sex is relatively risky and unhealthy.

https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

3. Homosexual men are noted to have a higher degree of psychological problems.

https://journals.lww.com/jonmd/Abstract/2015/07000/Understanding_Suicide_Attempts_Among_Gay_Men_From.4.aspx

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/suicide-coming-out-press-release/

Your society is normalizing LGBTQ+ decadence. Expert advice and scientific research will be intentionally fudged to make this decadence look normal and healthy and acceptable by extension. Now don't tell me that scientific research cannot be fudged.

You will see effects of LGBTQ+ decadence in 2 generations from now but life is short, right? And people never learn from history.

LGBTQ+ decadence is [B]not something new but recurrence of degeneracy which was apparent in any civilization when it was in decline. Glubb Pasha captured this theme in his works:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fate-Empires-Search-Survival/dp/B00P7WZIV2

https://gulzar05.blogspot.com/2020/05/cycles-of-history-by-john-bagot-glubb.html

https://hikinginthelight.us/the-7-stages-of-all-great-nations-end-stage-guilt/

USA is entering the Age of Decadence and effects are showing.

1. Institution of marriage is in decline.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/analysis?ID=672F430A-8F6B-4E77-ABBF-009B041CFE17

2. Birth rates are plummeting.

https://www.prb.org/resources/why-is-the-u-s-birth-rate-declining/

https://econofact.org/the-mystery-of-the-declining-u-s-birth-rate

3. Families are increasingly broken.

https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/report/how-broken-families-rob-children-their-chances-future-prosperity

https://ifstudies.org/blog/family-breakdown-and-americas-welfare-system

But expert advice and scientific research will be intentionally fudged to make this decadence look normal and healthy and acceptable by extension:

https://www.ourfamilywizard.com/blog/todaye28099s-families-are-resilient-not-e2809cbrokene2809d

One of the most rigorous studies to date suggest otherwise:

"Nearly three decades of research evaluating the impact of family structure on the health and well-being of children demonstrates that children living with their married, biological parents consistently have better physical, emotional, and academic well-being. Pediatricians and society should promote the family structure that has the best chance of producing healthy children. The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage. Consequently, society should make every effort to support healthy marriages and to discourage married couples from divorcing."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240051/

4. Children are increasingly confused and violent.

"In the vast majority of cases, we have someone who feels aggrieved—a family breakdown, a wife filing for divorce or a restraining order, being fired from a job, or even the pent-up sexual frustration borne from not being good with women."

https://observer.com/2016/08/these-are-the-actual-reasons-mass-shootings-occur/

See above.

Appreciated.

Thanks for pointing out that Britannica is not trustworthy source.

Traditional family values are following:

1. Marriage between a man and a woman.
2. Biological reproduction capability.
3. Children experience both Fatherhood and Motherhood which is good for their psychological development. [/B]

LOL shut up you white male, you literally have everything in your life free and are statistically better off than any other demographic in every single category of life as a result of WHITE SUPREMACY.

The problem I have with white supremacy is when did it actually begin?

Sure, you could point to colonialism, but wasn't that a reaction to the ottoman empire? The idea being boycotting the middle eastern merchants.

But weren't the ottomans non-white as well?

Originally posted by Robtard
It was kinda loaded, as it states boys are indeed being attacked for being "boys". Are they?

And if they are, but it's rando faceless people on shit like Twitter and 4chan, then that's an answer onto itself.

A respectable answer if consistent.

You are of course aware Nina Jankowicz cited those same faceless trolls you now claim to be dismissive of.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
it wasn't just a simple question.

I am what I am. Jesus said that. Popeye said it too. How could both Jesus and Popeye be wrong. Think about that

Hypocrite.

If you were so enlightened you wouldn't routinely demonize conservatives. In fact, you'd assume they act in good faith and try and understand their mindsets.

Instead you dismiss them as evil, with underhanded ulterior motives. Every single one.

Hypocrite.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are men being raised to be effeminate? Has the feminist movement crossed the line? Is there anything wrong with being a strong man in today’s society?

I’d be interested in reading opinions on this volatile subject.

All feminists are apparently "turfs" now anyways.

Originally posted by cdtm
Hypocrite.

If you were so enlightened you wouldn't routinely demonize conservatives. In fact, you'd assume they act in good faith and try and understand their mindsets.

Instead you dismiss them as evil, with underhanded ulterior motives. Every single one.

Hypocrite.

crywank

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Women are physically weaker than men on average [B]but they are perfectly capable of abusing both men, women and children.

Some studies for reference:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7658679/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10911359.2012.655988

There are good and bad women out there much like men.

Women are vocal about their problems but men are conditioned to toughen up and tolerate much in comparison.

---

Women are not necessarily weaker in societal positions. They can manipulate others to do their bidding or get things done for them.

https://medium.com/illumination/how-women-manipulate-men-3319b28b7f3b

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9780429423819-1/women-elites-cynthia-fuchs-epstein

Many women are high achievers in organizations and some have become very powerful.

https://www.forbes.com/power-women/#29dd39f55e25

You need some exploring to do.

🙄

You are quick to label others but you seem to be lacking in knowledge and exposure in person.

I do not know how (gay) men behave in your location. In my interactions, I recognized two men as gay and rejected advances of both. They mistook my friendly behavior for interest in them. I would like to feel relaxed in the company of men instead.

Now read this carefully:

- Men victimize other Men.
- Men victimize Women.
- Men victimize Children.
- Women victimize other Women.
- Women victimize Men.
- Women victimize Children.

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315310411-8/assessing-women-sexually-abuse-children-hilary-eldridge-ian-elliott-steven-gillespie-alexandra-bailey-anthony-beech

I am not sexist but being factual and honest.

I am rather women-friendly in life but I will call a spade a spade.

Some realities of your country?

1. Institution of marriage is in decline.
2. Birth rates are plummeting.
3. Families are increasingly broken.
4. Children are increasingly confused and violent.

Ever wondered why there are so many mass shooting incidents in USA?

Following article nailed it:

In the vast majority of cases, we have someone who feels aggrieved—a family breakdown, a wife filing for divorce or a restraining order, being fired from a job, or even the pent-up sexual frustration borne from not being good with women.

Whatever the cause, easy access to a firearm at the time the perpetrator felt most aggrieved was what tipped the situation into violence. In a significant number of incidents, the perpetrator began shooting within an hour of receiving a piece of news that they clearly couldn’t process. In a few cases, it was just minutes before the perpetrator stormed out to their car, grabbed whatever firearms were there, and began shooting. One of them already had guns in his lunchbox, and had them ready when his boss told him he was fired, immediately going on his rampage.

People in a distressed or emotional state should not have easy access to firearms.

https://observer.com/2016/08/these-are-the-actual-reasons-mass-shootings-occur/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_family

https://www.britannica.com/topic/nuclear-family [/B]

I popped one in the mouth for grabbing me.

Then realized it was a gay bar, whoops.

wow you have some pretty badass fantasies about overpowering gay men. get more drunk and revealing, retard dur👆

Get some sun basement dweller.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Man, Wife, kids in that order.

If gay was normal, there would be no people.

did you wrestle the gay man to the ground? you silly incels and your power fantasies