Most disappointing fights
Pretty simple which fights in the movies were very disappointing to you. Ones that were supposed to be more exciting or which fighters were hyped up and performed lackluster at best.
Some of my entries.
Godzilla vs. Ghidorah final battle could have been much better.
Zod-terrible fighter
Kylo Ren- terrible
Star Wars 7,8,9 - somehow made Lightsaber fights boring to watch, boring choreography, non athletic actors, just sucked.
Re: Most disappointing fights
Originally posted by ShadowFyreYeah they don't do fights with tons of spinning and good choreography anymore, it's slow.
Pretty simple which fights in the movies were very disappointing to you. Ones that were supposed to be more exciting or which fighters were hyped up and performed lackluster at best.Some of my entries.
Godzilla vs. Ghidorah final battle could have been much better.
Zod-terrible fighter
Kylo Ren- terrible
Star Wars 7,8,9 - somehow made Lightsaber fights boring to watch, boring choreography, non athletic actors, just sucked.
There are two main components that make a fight scene good. A good technical narrative (the physical action taking place basically, what constitutes as "good" being fairly subjective), and a good emotional narrative (everything encompassing what's gone on with or between the characters up to the time of the fight).
Take the Obi vs. Vader fight in ANH Stiltman mentioned above. The technical narrative is, frankly, almost completely worthless IIRC. It is quite literally just an old man and a guy in a cumbersome suit slapping sticks against the other guy's stick until Obi gets killed. Every saber fight in the sequel trilogy had a better technical narrative than this. But it's the emotional narrative, the build-up between Obi-wan and Vader's final meeting and what the fight means to the two of them, that make the fight compelling despite its technical shortcomings. And this is where so many of the fights in the sequel trilogy fall woefully short (though the fight between Finn and Kylo Ren is genuinely good and probably the best scene in the whole ST).
As far as the thread, for me the only one I can think of is Gregor Clegane vs. Oberyn Martell, probably the most iconic duel that actually takes place in the pages of A Song of Ice and Fire (as opposed to duels in the backstory that are more important in-universe like Robert vs. Rhaegar). The emotional narrative is still largely intact, it being Oberyn's climactic duel with the man who raped and murdered his sister and killed her son, and Oberyn's choreography is pretty good and suits the character. But the fight is dragged down by Bjornsson's absolutely abysmal choreography. Unlike Conan Steven who played the character in season 1 he had no experience with a sword and it showed, he flailed in Oberyn's general location and is portrayed as way too slow.
Not a single fight in the Home trilogy of Spidey movies lived up to any of the fights from the original Raimi trilogy. Same with all the fights in the Amazing movies. The Raimi movies had a narrative to each fight that allowed the fights to evolve as they want on to an eventual satisfying conclusion. The movement also looked like it had more weight/momentum to it. The Spidey movies after just never lived up.
It's wild to me that Spidey vs Ock on the train is still the best super hero fight I've ever seen. It's been a decade of super hero movies, but nothing has topped it. Hulk vs Abom got the closest.
Actually, you could put 90% of the fights in Marvel movies up for my vote.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Not a single fight in the Home trilogy of Spidey movies lived up to any of the fights from the original Raimi trilogy. Same with all the fights in the Amazing movies. The Raimi movies had a narrative to each fight that allowed the fights to evolve as they want on to an eventual satisfying conclusion. The movement also looked like it had more weight/momentum to it. The Spidey movies after just never lived up.It's wild to me that Spidey vs Ock on the train is still the best super hero fight I've ever seen. It's been a decade of super hero movies, but nothing has topped it. Hulk vs Abom got the closest.
Actually, you could put 90% of the fights in Marvel movies up for my vote.
Agreed with the exception of the two Green Goblin fights in No Way Home, especially the apartment hallway fight. Willem Dafoe just smiling up at Peter as he wails on him and then cackling and powerbombing him four stories down instantly made him one of the best villains in both the Raimi-verse and the MCU.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Jason Statham vs. Scott Adkins in Expendables 2. Considering the martial arts skills of both these guys, their showdown was ridiculously underwhelming. Come to think of it, pretty much all of the fights in the Expendables movies were underwhelming, especially when you consider the actors they cast.
My pick from both the technical and narrative standpoints: pick any of the fights from The Matrix Resurrections, but in particular Smith vs. Neo. Worst downgrade in filmmaking from movie to movie I've ever seen period, but to go from the subway fight, the Burly Brawl, and the Revolutions final battle to whatever happened in Resurrections was horrid.
My pick from a narrative standpoint: anything in the MCU past the Sakaar gladiator fight involving Hulk besides Thanos vs. Hulk. You have Louis Letterier directing the Harlem throwdown between Abom and Hulk (good call Arachnid), then Hulk vs. Thor, then Hulk punching the Leviathan (best moment of the MCU up to that point, still one of the best), then Hulk vs. Hulkbuster, then Hulk vs. Thor 2. After that, you have the following:
- Hulk gets survives getting doghandled by Fenris by holding onto a cliff (should've suplexed Fenris into oblivion).
- Hulk knocks Surtur's head back by jumping at him (should've done something insane like suplex Surtur into oblivion).
- Hulk gets body slammed by Thanos (great intro for Thanos, that and destroying the Asgardians tells me all I need to know about purple boi. Wonder how Hulk will recover for his night matchup...)
- Banner kills Cull Obsidian (okay, but surely Hulk is going to come out in World Breaker mode for Endgame????)
- Professor Hulk does nothing but make some quips, throw a bench, and do the snap, which cripples him and then he runs with the M'Baku's of the world for the final battle against Thanos and his army (big letdown).
- And now, he is training what looks like a real abomination in She-Hulk while Banner gets sidelined. Garbage.
Honorable mentions: Superman vs. Batman in Batman v Superman; most of the stuff from the MCU TV shows on Disney +
Wow awesome feedback from everyone. I figured everyone would feel strongly about a particular fight.
I have been wanting to read the GOT novels but haven't gotten to it yet.
I know I'm a minority but I just genuinely do not care for Tobey Spiderman, Green Goblin or the Norman Osborn character period (aside from a few of the comics) nor do I really like any of the Raimi films though I do know they are genuinely good movies.
I never looked at Hulks fights in that order I guess.
The Dark Knight Trilogy.
Part one?
Boring…:
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Part three?
Boring…:
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Part two?
Not as boring thanks to Heath Ledger, but it takes two ppl to have a fight…:
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Not just thanks to Heath.
Three rottweilers were needed, too. And Batman's "radar sense" going haywire after the repeated strikes from the crowbar (which was a fancy special effect in itself).
All of that mixed together... along with switching to the ship scenes... made it work.
Fight choreography is Nolan's kryptonite. But in TDK, he tried to remedy that problem of his.
Originally posted by NemeBro
There are two main components that make a fight scene good. A good technical narrative (the physical action taking place basically, what constitutes as "good" being fairly subjective), and a good emotional narrative (everything encompassing what's gone on with or between the characters up to the time of the fight).Take the Obi vs. Vader fight in ANH Stiltman mentioned above. The technical narrative is, frankly, almost completely worthless IIRC. It is quite literally just an old man and a guy in a cumbersome suit slapping sticks against the other guy's stick until Obi gets killed. Every saber fight in the sequel trilogy had a better technical narrative than this. But it's the emotional narrative, the build-up between Obi-wan and Vader's final meeting and what the fight means to the two of them, that make the fight compelling despite its technical shortcomings. And this is where so many of the fights in the sequel trilogy fall woefully short (though the fight between Finn and Kylo Ren is genuinely good and probably the best scene in the whole ST).
As far as the thread, for me the only one I can think of is Gregor Clegane vs. Oberyn Martell, probably the most iconic duel that actually takes place in the pages of A Song of Ice and Fire (as opposed to duels in the backstory that are more important in-universe like Robert vs. Rhaegar). The emotional narrative is still largely intact, it being Oberyn's climactic duel with the man who raped and murdered his sister and killed her son, and Oberyn's choreography is pretty good and suits the character. But the fight is dragged down by Bjornsson's absolutely abysmal choreography. Unlike Conan Steven who played the character in season 1 he had no experience with a sword and it showed, he flailed in Oberyn's general location and is portrayed as way too slow.
I mean, pretty much any fight in GOT is absolute sh*t. The only decent one was Arya vs. Brienne, but all the rest handle a longsword about as gracefully as a sledgehammer. Arthur Dayne vs. Ned Stark and his team was probably the worst.
Good point about Bjornsson. Great athlete but doesn't handle fight scenes as well as Conan Stevens.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not just thanks to Heath.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Three rottweilers were needed, too.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
… Batman's "radar sense"… the crowbar… the ship scenes... made it work.
Originally posted by FrothByteIt is true that fight scenes were always one of the show's weakest points but this is like I said the most iconic duel from the source material, the one everyone who read it remembers and the purest example of dex vs. str in fiction. But because Bjornsson just had no experience handling a sword (not having a stuntman background like Stevens does) this one is the most disappointing for me. As opposed to something that is honestly even more objectively terrible like Cleganebowl, but by that point Game of Thrones had been firmly dogshit for like three or four seasons and so I expected dogshit and dogshit is what I got. No disappointment. In fact if anything the fight, despite being the same lumbering unskilled swordplay the show has featured all series, was so weird and over the top in other ways (them literally breaking through solid stone walls while fighting and their swords clashing producing a little shockwave, the cinematography framing it like this epic climactic duel when in fact it had literally zero impact on the narrative and at this point did nothing for the characters involved either) that it had a corny charm to it.
I mean, pretty much any fight in GOT is absolute sh*t. The only decent one was Arya vs. Brienne, but all the rest handle a longsword about as gracefully as a sledgehammer. Arthur Dayne vs. Ned Stark and his team was probably the worst.Good point about Bjornsson. Great athlete but doesn't handle fight scenes as well as Conan Stevens.
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Okay then, I’ll rephrase; despite Bale.^^^This was their breakout role.
Sadly I heard success went to their heads.^^^Made it work, as in not as boring.
If they’d just got rid of Bale altogether they might really have had something there.
You believe it was Bale's fault?
Not Nolan and the fight choreography crew he's hand-picked? 😛