Originally posted by carver9
The excuses for Thor is hilarious. The guy is fighting against a Hulk that is said to be the most dangerous thing the entire Avengers lineup will ever face and he's doing good solo.
This you?
Originally posted by carver9
So I looked at the quote you posted where I mentioned juggling suns, lmao, I brought that up to discredit ABHI scan of using a statement as a ft. Every post I posted (along with others) to counteract ABHI post were all statements. I want you to show me where I use this as a ft for Hulk in a debate.
Originally posted by carver9
My point of mentioning those fts was due to people trying to use statements as concrete evidence
Originally posted by carver9
I don't think using statements is a way of debating.
Gave him respect before his fight with Hulk...
Originally posted by carver9
Thor without hammer - mid Herald to bottom high High Herald
Thor with hammer - epitome of high Herald tier and can reach Trans tier levels under stress
Thor with Odin Force - Easily Skyfather
Heck, here I even said he's more powerful than Hulk...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=671226&highlight=%22Thor+vs+Hulk%22
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyway, I would side with Thanos here. Thor has the power, sure, not denying that, but hard to see an answer for TP.Assuming of course, that we're using current. I know when he fought the Black Winter he fought the TP off, so debate if that's enough when stacked against Thanos' TP feats.
When was Thanos last showing?
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not using statements as concrete evidence. 🤷🏾‍♂️The fts are there to support those statements.
Like screaming into space, amirite? And fighting Skyfather level ghosts (lol)?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
When was Thanos last showing?
Last I saw, was him fighting alongside King Thanos.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
When was Thanos last showing?
His latest showing against Tyrant in the latest Silver Surfer? You said that it was out of continuity? I don’t understand why? Is this a Thanos and Silver Surfer from a different time line? I was under the impression that they were 616 versions of the characters due to alternate time line versions of the Surfer.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Sorry it's canon it just doesn't occur in the present. It occurs in the past like in the 90s. Particularly after the Ron's old run
Ah okay thanks for that.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not using statements as concrete evidence. 🤷🏾‍♂️The fts are there to support those statements.
Carver, you may be correct about Thor, and the Hulk being powerful enough to defeat Celestials, but who have they fought outside of a buster unit that Tony created? How in the world can you claim that they’d beat the real deal if they have yet to battle one on panel?
Even with his Odin Force upgrade, Thor has better showings when he didn’t have the Odin Force, or at the very least appeared to be as powerful as he is now. I would automatically feel the need to agree with how you are viewing things, but without proof we’d be potentially standing on a very flimsy stage.
Odin Force Thor was getting wrecked by Immortal Hulk just several months ago. He is apparently much more powerful, even being called the Hulk’s Hulk in interviews, but is there anything to support this?
Being angry is what allows him to transform in the first place. Would you agree with this statement? If your answer is yes, why then was Thanos able to control him making him attack Thor in the past? Good question right? So what makes you say that he would be unable to control him at any given time? We’ve seen him do it in the past, which is plenty of evidence to believe that he would be able to do so again, especially since unlike Professor Xavier, Thanos can augment his telepathy with magic.
Originally posted by Stoic
Ah okay thanks for that.Carver, you may be correct about Thor, and the Hulk being powerful enough to defeat Celestials, but who have they fought outside of a buster unit that Tony created? How in the world can you claim that they’d beat the real deal if they have yet to battle one on panel?
Even with his Odin Force upgrade, Thor has better showings when he didn’t have the Odin Force, or at the very least appeared to be as powerful as he is now. I would automatically feel the need to agree with how you are viewing things, but without proof we’d be potentially standing on a very flimsy stage.
Odin Force Thor was getting wrecked by Immortal Hulk just several months ago. He is apparently much more powerful, even being called the Hulk’s Hulk in interviews, but is there anything to support this?
Being angry is what allows him to transform in the first place. Would you agree with this statement? If your answer is yes, why then was Thanos able to control him making him attack Thor in the past? Good question right? So what makes you say that he would be unable to control him at any given time? We’ve seen him do it in the past, which is plenty of evidence to believe that he would be able to do so again, especially since unlike Professor Xavier, Thanos can augment his telepathy with magic.
Plus powerless Odin (as he has given all of his power to Thor) broke into Starship Hulk, and made Banner his b1tch. I wager a fully powered Thanos is at least as powerful as a powerless Odin, won't you?
@Stoic...
Ironman already built an armor that was taking on Celestial before getting this armor and now he is powering an armor that is opening portals to different universes and shooting out blasts more powerful than suns. Let's not try to downplay here.
Yes, Immortal Hulk fought and crushed Thor but that wasn't full Odin Force powered Thor and Odin outright said Thor will have access to ALL of his skyfather power.
Tell me what better showings Thor had than almost dropping a Celestial level being in a single hit? Also, you do know Thor previous showings still sticks with him, right? When you were taking Superman side not too long ago, were you using Supes from one story or were you using his collected frs from all of his books?
Answer this, which Superman is stronger? The one that doughty DOS Doomsday or the one that recently fought Damage?
Your argument is all over the place.
Originally posted by carver9
@Stoic...Ironman already built an armor that was taking on Celestial before getting this armor and now he is powering an armor that is opening portals to different universes and shooting out blasts more powerful than suns. Let's not try to downplay here.
Yes, Immortal Hulk fought and crushed Thor but that wasn't full Odin Force powered Thor and Odin outright said Thor will have access to ALL of his skyfather power.
Tell me what better showings Thor had than almost dropping a Celestial level being in a single hit? Also, you do know Thor previous showings still sticks with him, right? When you were taking Superman side not too long ago, were you using Supes from one story or were you using his collected frs from all of his books?
Answer this, which Superman is stronger? The one that doughty DOS Doomsday or the one that recently fought Damage?
Your argument is all over the place.
I’m not saying that I completely disagree with you, what I am saying is that what happens if or when current Thor is beaten by far less than what was recently written? You can’t just make believe that any of these guys are as powerful as a Celestial on the level of a well fed Galactus, because they have never faced one on that level and defeated it with the ease that they took apart Tony in his new buster armor. This isn’t even the same Celestial Buster armor that we previously read about.
It would be far more reasonable to wait until they earn these feats. In every comparison that either Thor or the Hulk has faced off against Thanos, he came out looking far better than they did. Even with the Power gem in Thor’s possession he lost. The Hulk was easily mind controlled by Thanos, blasted aside, and effortlessly slapped away by him as his underling Proxima dealt with him. What I described happen on separate occasions. That would be up to you if you were willing to accept what Marvel is telling you.
As seen, Thor was embarrassed by Immortal Hulk while having the very same Odin Force that he now possesses. Had his skull cracked by one punch, and it was only until he possessed the Power Cosmic was he able to defeat a heavily amplified Galactus. That was a completely different level of power than what we’ve seen more recently.
If we were to use ABC logic, (which can be correct at times) we may imagine that All Father Thor should be able to narrowly defeat a regular or average Galactus in battle. However, that would go against how well Odin himself did against Galactus. It’s plausible, but without seeing it most people would call it speculative at best.
When has Thor used telepathy like Odin? When has he erected barriers with the Odin Force that were capable of jailing Kurse? When did he become a giant like Odin? You see where I’m going with this? The only thing that we’ve seen from Thor is brick fighting. The only new thing that we’ve seen of this Hulk’s Hulk is laser blasts that he can fire from his eyes.
They both need time to build up feats. If this were either of them against Hyperion, I’d agree with the stomp sentiment that you immediately threw out there, but this is Thanos. Thanos defeated the Revengers while they were in possession of a Cosmic Cube.
At this period in time the Hulk has yet to prove immunity to magic, telepathy, or cosmic powers. For all we know, the Surfer may show up again and defeat him as easily as he would a kitten.