Thor [current] vs Thanos

Thor wasn't as powerful as he is now when he fought Immortal Hulk. Please stop saying that and also, you're using losing to Hulk as a low showing instead of it being a power scaling for Hulk? Thanos beating Anni Hulk, is this a low showing for Anni Hulk or a good showing for Thanos? Thanos vs Tyrant, is that a low showing for Tyrant or a high showing for Thanos? Thanos vs Surfer. Is that a low showing for Surfer or a high showing for Thanos?

Also, again, the armor Tony is wearing was taking on 2 Celestials and Winning and its not like the armor isn't displaying power here. Outright said on panel that Hulk is being hit by exploding suns and it was outright wrecking Celestial skin when doing it.

So your entire argument is Hulk losing to Thanos due to TP, something that he rarely use?

Lol @Carver avoiding the Hulk/Thanos thread.

How did I avoid the thread when I posted in there? Are you saying I'm avoiding your story telling post that you don't even follow?

Carver is right Stoic. Thor only had a portion of the OF when he faced Immortal Hulk. Now I'm pretty sure at the time Carver was saying he had the whole OF but that's neither here nor there.

Problem with the Banner of War fights is there all inconclusive and riddled with context. Thor has been fighting like a brick not a skyfather, Tony's prepped armors have historically been trash, Thor one shot that celestial armor. Odin can't be powerless based on the showings. Hulk doesn't seem to be fighting anything other than Banner's control and he's obviously under another control from some outside source. It's a weird comic

Originally posted by carver9
How did I avoid the thread when I posted in there? Are you saying I'm avoiding your story telling post that you don't even follow?

Wut. Are you ok?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Carver is right Stoic. Thor only had a portion of the OF when he faced Immortal Hulk. Now I'm pretty sure at the time Carver was saying he had the whole OF but that's neither here nor there.

Problem with the Banner of War fights is there all inconclusive and riddled with context. Thor has been fighting like a brick not a skyfather, Tony's prepped armors have historically been trash, Thor one shot that celestial armor. Odin can't be powerless based on the showings. Hulk doesn't seem to be fighting anything other than Banner's control and he's obviously under another control from some outside source. It's a weird comic

Thor used his lightning and it did absolutely nothing. Which attack from Thor are you thinking will stop Hulk?

Remember that under Cates, Thanos blasted Galactus’ head off, he also defeated All Father Thor, the Living Tribunal, Eternity and every other being in that reality and was then defeated by his younger self.

Under another writer he took hits from Lord Mar-Vell in possession of a Cosmic Cube. Without the Cosmic Cube Lord Mar-Vell embarrassed the Annihilators with one attack. Later, Thanos not only took one hit from a Cosmic Cube that Lord Mar-Vell had in his possession, but several and would not stay down. He ultimately goes on to defeat the entire team of Revengers.

We actually saw how well Thanos did against Odin, but Thor is being written in a way that alludes to him not being as efficient, or knowledgeable of the uses of the Odin Force as his father before him. It wouldn’t be a stretch to believe that he is more powerful than he was without the Odin Force, but to what degree? There is no evidence to support him being as powerful as his father was at this time.

Anni-Hulk in a future had every surviving super hero hiding out on a desolate planet awaiting their collective doom, which happened. Thanos defeating Anni-Hulk was no small feat. Thanos made Childs play of Thane with the Phoenix Force.

I am not saying that you are wrong Carver, but you can’t expect Hulk detractors or supporters to fully accept that he shrugged off the force of 100,000 stars exploding in his face without people feeling that this number could be hyperbole. In other words we need more proof. In my honest opinion I hope that you are right, because even though I may seem to be a Hulk detractor, he is one of my favorite characters. Always has been.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor used his lightning and it did absolutely nothing. Which attack from Thor are you thinking will stop Hulk?

You think the Thor that's facing Hulk is the same caliber Thor that faced Mjolgog?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You think the Thor that's facing Hulk is the same caliber Thor that faced Mjolgog?

More powerful. Why would anyone think different? Are there different versions of Thors in each issue? Is the Immortal Hulk that fought the Avengers different than the Immortal Hulk that Loki fought? When did we start debating like this

@Stoic...

The Galactus that Thanos killed was an alternate reality Galactus. 🤦🏿 Everyone you named was alternate reality versions (sigh). Younger Thanos beating a character that took on alt characters isn't as great as you're trying to make it and most of those fights took place off panel.

Thought the cosmic cube wasn't at full power? Also, I am going to pull a you. Prove that Lord Marvell was using the full extent of the cosmic cube and please don't share fts.

Why is Thir being written different than the Odin that fought Thanos? Did you not see the Odin and Thanos fight. All Odin did was blast and go physical with Thanos. The same shit Thor is doing against Hulk. Lol. Yes, Thor is as powerful as Odin was, said on panel.

Anni Hulk used a weapon to kill the heros, not his own power. Also, are we talking about the same Annihulk that Hulk was able to damage with one hit, something Thanos couldn't do.

Why is that statement hyperbole about Hulk tanking sun level power?

Originally posted by carver9
More powerful. Why would anyone think different? Are there different versions of Thors in each issue? Is the Immortal Hulk that fought the Avengers different than the Immortal Hulk that Loki fought? When did we start debating like this

We always take into (or at least those of us who can actually debate) account a characters mindset or motivations during a fight. There's a difference between a wolverine who fights with his claws sheathed and one who's feral for example. It's the same Wolverine but it's also not. Thor that fought Mjolgog used his terra powers from Gaea. Iirc he used the bifrost he did esoteric shit other than punching, bashing a fan lightning. If I did a versus. Using that version in that issue against the one that's been facing Hulk the it'd be no question who would win. It all boils down to context. You're hindered by your obsession with power sets

Originally posted by carver9
@Stoic...

The Galactus that Thanos killed was an alternate reality Galactus. 🤦🏿 Everyone you named was alternate reality versions (sigh). Younger Thanos beating a character that took on alt characters isn't as great as you're trying to make it and most of those fights took place off panel.

Thought the cosmic cube wasn't at full power? Also, I am going to pull a you. Prove that Lord Marvell was using the full extent of the cosmic cube and please don't share fts.

Why is Thir being written different than the Odin that fought Thanos? Did you not see the Odin and Thanos fight. All Odin did was blast and go physical with Thanos. The same shit Thor is doing against Hulk. Lol. Yes, Thor is as powerful as Odin was, said on panel.

Anni Hulk used a weapon to kill the heros, not his own power. Also, are we talking about the same Annihulk that Hulk was able to damage with one hit, something Thanos couldn't do.

Why is that statement hyperbole about Hulk tanking sun level power?

They were alternate reality versions that is true.

Mar-Vell tried killing Thanos. Do you think that he was holding back?

Being as powerful does not mean that he has the same knowledge as his father who had possessed the Odin Force for tens of thousands of years. Not hard to understand this, and Asgardians become more powerful with age. Thor is still pretty young by comparison.

It said the power of 100,000 suns (one hundred thousand). Cates often over exaggerates power levels. At any rate if you looked at the blast radius it becomes increasingly obvious that what we saw was hyperbole as none of them possess the power to shield the rest of the galaxy from the destruction that such a blast would create.

Thanos defeated Anni-Hulk, while the Hulk ran away.

Was it stated that the Cosmic Cube was weakened, or was it damaged? What about surviving Omega’s attack? Omega was the Thanosai that was more powerful than Galactus.

Anni-Hulk used blasts that one shot killed all of the hero’s which included the Hulk, while Thanos took multiple hits and was not able to keep him down.

Like I said before, it’s best to wait, because Thor may find himself being beaten by Kurse in the near future.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
We always take into (or at least those of us who can actually debate) account a characters mindset or motivations during a fight. There's a difference between a wolverine who fights with his claws sheathed and one who's feral for example. It's the same Wolverine but it's also not. Thor that fought Mjolgog used his terra powers from Gaea. Iirc he used the bifrost he did esoteric shit other than punching, bashing a fan lightning. If I did a versus. Using that version in that issue against the one that's been facing Hulk the it'd be no question who would win. It all boils down to context. You're hindered by your obsession with power sets

He's/Thor admitted that he isn't holding back in this fight. Surfer held back against Thanos as well since he did nothing but blast and fly the entire time? No exotic abilities? Did Surfer hold back? Superman held back against Doomsday too, huh? Did he even use ice breath during the fight? He didn't go all exotic so I'm guessing he held back.

Surfer vs Thor. Surfer didn't use intangibility, black holes, matter manipulation, energy absorption, none of that against Thor. Yep, he held back. Ironman held back against Thor as well. No shields, herald slicing blades, invisibility. Thor didn't fight full power Sentry or The Void either. They didn't matter manipulate, use super speed, teleportation. Just punched and kicked. Martian Manhunter holds back in all of his fights. He doesn't use half of his powers in combat. Let's throw all of his fights out of the window.

I've seen a lot of weird debating here but I've never seen anyone debate like this. Dont throw this type of debating style on most people here on KMC because it's foolish.

Originally posted by carver9
He's/Thor admitted that he isn't holding back in this fight. Surfer held back against Thanos as well since he did nothing but blast and fly the entire time? No exotic abilities? Did Surfer hold back? Superman held back against Doomsday too, huh? Did he even use ice breath during the fight? He didn't go all exotic so I'm guessing he held back.

Surfer vs Thor. Surfer didn't use intangibility, black holes, matter manipulation, energy absorption, none of that against Thor. Yep, he held back. Ironman held back against Thor as well. No shields, herald slicing blades, invisibility. Thor didn't fight full power Sentry or The Void either. They didn't matter manipulate, use super speed, teleportation. Just punched and kicked. Martian Manhunter holds back in all of his fights. He doesn't use half of his powers in combat. Let's throw all of his fights out of the window.

I've seen a lot of weird debating here but I've never seen anyone debate like this. Dont throw this type of debating style on most people here on KMC because it's foolish.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
it's not a debating style it's common sense. Every fight has context. Thor trying to reason with Banner, Wonder Woman trying to reach Power Girl...yes they're fighting but they aren't going all out. Why you can't grasp this basic concept is insane.

When did he try to reason with Banner? In the last pages, he said they would need to kill Banner due to his rage. So not only did he admit he isn't holding back, he said that they would need to kill him.

That’s true. He thinks that it is still a simulation, and had no idea that it was real. I also have no problem conceding if I am wrong, but again Thanos isn’t your average run of the mill character. Donny Cates has a way of going big, or going home with characters, so I’m very interested to see how this plays out.

I wonder if what was stated during Doomsday Clock will actually happen? The part that states Thor will battle Superman across the universe, a Green Behemoth even stronger than Doomsday killing him to protect Superman, etc. Then again, that is supposed to take place in the year 2030, so….

Originally posted by carver9
More powerful. Why would anyone think different? Are there different versions of Thors in each issue? Is the Immortal Hulk that fought the Avengers different than the Immortal Hulk that Loki fought? When did we start debating like this

So while the version is supposed to be the same, it's very arguable that current Thor isn't exhibiting the same level of power against current Hulk. Not to the level that Thor did against a Mangog-corrupted, Motherstorm-possessed Mjolnir in the God of Hammers climax.

Something for your consideration.

Originally posted by ODG
When Odin fully passed his essence to Thor so that Thor could access the Odinforce Thorforce... Thor went all glowy, instantly manifested the Odinsword, and fought so hard... he immediately underwent the Odinsleep Thorsleep for four months.

So while the version is supposed to be the same, it's very arguable that current Thor isn't exhibiting the same level of power against current Hulk. Not to the level that Thor did against a Mangog-corrupted, Motherstorm-possessed Mjolnir in the God of Hammers climax.

Something for your consideration.

Exactly

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Exactly

But now during Banner of War, Mjolnir shoots lightning, exhibits the "worthy" enchantment, etc. It basically acts like the original Mjolnir, blessed with the Odinforce, or the Motherstorm, or whatever origin it has. Makes me wonder how much of the Thorforce he's using to make the current reforged Mjolnir act like "classic Mjolnir".

I think Cates may explore this. Because he surprised everyone (and me) with the Mangog-possession angle during the God of Hammers arc. Or it'll just be ignored. Like when JMS reforged Mjolnir and said that next time it broke it would killl Thor.

🙄

So every time Thor use a great amount of power, he autos goes into the Odin/Thor sleep or was/is this just a one time instance? Are we saying "every time Thor fights with his new found power, if he doesn't go into the Odin sleep, he's obviously holding back"?. Seems pretty obvious to me that he went into that deep sleep due to the powers being new to him.