Abortion

i am pro-choice . i think its every persons right to decide for themsleves . im a strong believer in the morning after pill . i think it should be easily available .

and for the medical procedure , i think thats fine too . as long as its done within a certain time frame . for example , before the embryo becomes a fetus .

even better before 17 days of jestation . the heart doesnt start beating till its 17 days old . though i know usually in most cases you dont find out you are pregnat till you've missed your cycle and is 3-4 weeks (or more) along .

Originally posted by shellie
i am pro-choice . i think its every persons right to decide for themsleves . im a strong believer in the morning after pill . i think it should be easily available .

It is in some states. In New York you can get it for free at a clinic in Jamaica, Queens. And it's over the counter in Seattle I think.

As it should be.

i think i should be over the counter every where . then you would have less clinical abortions . its much safer for you too .

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
No, not all rights, he should have a say in the matter, but the ultimate descision IS the woman's.

So, are you saying if the man wants the baby but the woman ultimatly decides to have an abortion anyway, then she get her way? And therefor taking alrights away from the father.

thats actually the truth

Pro-Choice....

and my reasons are my own. That is all I will speak about this.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
So, are you saying if the man wants the baby but the woman ultimatly decides to have an abortion anyway, then she get her way? And therefor taking alrights away from the father.

Yes.

I dont see how thats fair to any man.

FE> It is the woman’s choice – and ONLY the woman’s choice - because it is the WOMANS body!
Simple as that. And the reason why the woman decides and not the man. I understand your reasonings, though. What if the guy wants the child and the girl doesn’t? But until men can become pregnant, well… It’s the woman’s body.

I don’t give a damn that “some couples” would love to have a baby. That has NO bearing in a discussion like this – Not you, not I nor anyone else should force a woman to go through an unwanted pregnancy because other people need babies. The pain, the feelings and the emotions is not a trifle matter.
A woman is not a birth-machine.
End of THAT story.

Secondly: You can’t make abortions “go away” by making them illegal. They’ll only become dangerous and carried out in back-alleys by bad doctors. What we CAN do is educate teenagers about sex, pills and condoms so they don’t wake up going “Uhhh, how did I get pregnant?”

Thirdly> Correct – each to their own. Those who’re against abortions, well, don’t have one. And don’t force your views and opinions down other peoples throats. Those who’re for the choice – may choose. You never see them forcing pregnant anti-abortionists to go through an abortion. The opposite isn’t the case “Save life – shoot an abortion-doctor.” WHAT irony!

Originally posted by The Omega
FE> It is the woman’s choice – and ONLY the woman’s choice - because it is the WOMANS body!
Simple as that. And the reason why the woman decides and not the man. I understand your reasonings, though. What if the guy wants the child and the girl doesn’t? But until men can become pregnant, well… It’s the woman’s body.

Men can't become pregnant that's a fact. But we also have to remenber that males provide the semen. So in a away males do get to say something about a woman having an abortion.

Originally posted by The Omega
I don’t give a damn that “some couples” would love to have a baby. That has NO bearing in a discussion like this – Not you, not I nor anyone else should force a woman to go through an unwanted pregnancy because other people need babies. The pain, the feelings and the emotions is not a trifle matter.
A woman is not a birth-machine.
End of THAT story.

But isn't part of a women nature to bring life into our world? The pain and all the emotion is part of experience a woman goes through during pregnacy. If it is unwanted then counseling is the best advice.

Originally posted by The Omega

Secondly: You can’t make abortions “go away” by making them illegal. They’ll only become dangerous and carried out in back-alleys by bad doctors. What we CAN do is educate teenagers about sex, pills and condoms so they don’t wake up going “Uhhh, how did I get pregnant?”

Abortion is NOT the only option for an unwanted pregnacy. The best solution to avoid an unwanted pregnacy is quite simple.....both guy and gal need to keep their pants zipped! When they are ready for a child let them have sex.

It is the woman’s choice – and ONLY the woman’s choice - because it is the WOMANS body!

WindDanncer> In a perfect world…
There would be no abortions, there would be no need for them, men would not walk out on their 7-month-pregnant girlfriends and leave single-mothers, employers would welcome pregnancies and not see them as costly affairs etc. etc. etc.
But this is NOT a perfect world.

“But isn't part of a women nature to bring life into our world?”
I can have children because I am a woman. I am not a woman because I can have children. Isn’t it part of mans nature to bring life into our world?

“The pain and all the emotion is part of experience a woman goes through during pregnacy. If it is unwanted then counseling is the best advice.” If the cluster of cells is unwanted then the woman, if she so chooses, should have an abortion, get her life straightened out, get an education or a job – find a nice man – and then have children.

“Abortion is NOT the only option for an unwanted pregnacy. The best solution to avoid an unwanted pregnacy is quite simple.....both guy and gal need to keep their pants zipped! When they are ready for a child let them have sex.”
You can’t avoid human nature and hormones. Isn’t it part of human nature to procreate? Or to want to?

Finti> See above.

Don’t get me wrong most esteemed gentlemen. I would prefer it if the choice was that of both the man and the woman. A man cannot force a woman to have an abortion or bear a child. She can – in theory – do whatever she chooses, no matter what the guy wants. The poor man may not even WANT to be a father (and, boy, have I seen what can happen when the girl decides she wants the man to stick around and has a child), but if the girl wants the child – voila.
However – the man has a choice to dodge HIS responsibility. He may simply run away. Sure, there may be some child-support, but compared to raising a child that is peanuts.
So just as the man has the choice of leaving the pregnant woman if he does not want to have any part in raising and caring for the child – so the woman has a choice as to whether or not the child should be born.

I bet most of you pro-lifers don't have a problem with eating chicken babies for breakfast. Oops, I mean eggs.

Arachnoidfreak> That won’t get you anywhere. 99,9 % of all anti-abortionists are religious – hence humans are worth more than chickens in their world.

I know this, but the irony is just absurd.

*I* won't disagree with you...

Is this a joke? Comparing Chicken eggs to humans? Give me a break! A chicken is for human comsunption. That's some ackward logic there!

The Omega you said: "You can’t avoid human nature and hormones. Isn’t it part of human nature to procreate? Or to want to?"

True, but we also have common sense. Unless you allowed your emotions to dictate your reason. There isn't much hope. All I saying that if a couple don't want to have a baby....think it over! Don't just jump on bed. If you do jump on bed together use protection.

Originally posted by The Omega

“But isn't part of a women nature to bring life into our world?”
I can have children because I am a woman. I am not a woman because I can have children. Isn’t it part of mans nature to bring life into our world?

Well said The Omega, as always 👆

Originally posted by WindDancer
Is this a joke? Comparing Chicken eggs to humans? Give me a break! A chicken is for human comsunption. That's some ackward logic there!

No, it isn't a joke. Why are chicken lives so worthless? Don't get me wrong, I love a good scrambled egg breakfast with sides of bacon and sausage more than anyone, but why are human lives so much more important? Because we can build shit and think abstractly? You don't think that chicken loves her baby egg? Give me a break, humans are animals(mammals to be exact) just like all the other life on this planet, excluding plants of course. Yet, anything eating a human baby is totally absurd and tragic, while eating any other animal's baby would be a-ok.