Abortion

You asked me the same question, I answered it, and now it seems as if you just disregarded what I said.

You are viewing taking the baby's life as a PUNISHMENT, when it ISN'T. It would actually be a RELIEF from the potential life of suffering it would endure if it was forced to live. Don't you believe in heaven? If a baby was killed before it had a chance to even sin, wouldn't it go to heaven? I don't see the downside here. Instead of making the child suffer, you are giving it a chance to live an eternal life in paradise. According to christian beliefs of course.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
You asked me the same question, I answered it, and now it seems as if you just disregarded what I said.

You are viewing taking the baby's life as a PUNISHMENT, when it ISN'T. It would actually be a RELIEF from the potential life of suffering it would endure if it was forced to live. Don't you believe in heaven? If a baby was killed before it had a chance to even sin, wouldn't it go to heaven? I don't see the downside here. Instead of making the child suffer, you are giving it a chance to live an eternal life in paradise. According to christian beliefs of course.

ok sorry about that***the question thing got lost from the other post lol
Yes, i believe in Heaven, I however don't believe in murder. To me it is a human life, i can't believe someone would thk it wasn't. There's tons of people that would take a baby, like me for an example, they can find someone.

You didn't answer my question, yet again.

Don't you think it would be better to allow the baby to live a life in paradise with god, and let the mother who had her baby aborted suffer in hell for having her baby killed?

You see the negative in the situation(the baby's death) instead of the positive(the baby's life in paradise)

i did answer you, you're just refusing the answer. I don't believe in murder, period. I thk thats just a cop out to say that, "oh well i'll abort this baby and it will go to Heaven". There is not justice in that, its a way people have found to justify murder. and I did say, people.

ABORTION IS THE MURDER OF INNOCENT BABIES. No matter how many people twist it around to try to make it look okay it's still wrong. You have to wonder what the world is coming to now that it is legal for people to murder their own children.

"Now that it is legal"?? This has been going on long before America was even established. The world didn't end when the first abortion was preformed, and it isn't going to end "now".

I'd prefer to let the baby die than put it through a lifetime of suffering.

Going on and being legal are 2 diff things. But when it became legal more peeps started doing it, it is murder.

ohh and Archnoid, LET the baby die, thats murder.

You and I(or most Christians for that matter) will never see eye to eye on this, or most other subjects.

probably not, when it deals w/God or murder, stuff like that, but thats ok to agree to disagree. I don't have attitude or dislike peeps that don't agree w/me, we all have our opinions, and thats ok. Its nice to be able to come to KMC and discuss things and get peoples views on diff subjects. 🙂

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
You are joking bf? you really feel numb to life? i mean thats what i get from you saying that.

Yes, I'm joking.

I am however, for abortion. I think it's a good option to have for extreme situations.

😄 😄 😄

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
probably not, when it deals w/God or murder, stuff like that, but thats ok to agree to disagree. I don't have attitude or dislike peeps that don't agree w/me, we all have our opinions, and thats ok. Its nice to be able to come to KMC and discuss things and get peoples views on diff subjects. 🙂

Abortions and infanticide has been going on in human civilistaion since we lived in caves. If the tribe was starving for example and couldn't feed enough mouths, hen there was no room for more babies.

Sure - a world without abortions would be nice. But so would a world without rape. And a world where women do not loose their jobs because of pregnancies or where women don't loose career-opportunities because they have to take care of a child.
So - abortion is a tool to ensure equality between the genders.

I cannot help but think that if the self-proclaimed anti-abortionists would spend half the time they spend on prosecuting unfortunate women on helping children that HAVE BEEN born into poverty instead, the world might be nicer, too.

wait.. you found claims of a caveman abortion now.. oh do tell.. did it come complete with a makeshift stone hanger? 🙂

"I cannot help but think that if the self-proclaimed anti-abortionists would spend half the time they spend on prosecuting unfortunate women on helping children that HAVE BEEN born into poverty instead, the world might be nicer, too." << I do have to agree with this tho.. energy spent on something that is quasi-inevitable would be better spent upon something more fruitful

I know I always sit on the fence, and I'm gonna do it again! Although I don't think I would EVER have an abortion, under ANY circumstances, even if I was raped, even if the baby was going to be born disabled ((I might consider it if the baby was only going to live eg. 3 months in complete never-ceasing pain, but even then, doctors don't know everything, and shouldn't a child have a right to life, ANY life?)) - sheesh, where's this sentence got to! - I am pro-choice. I think every woman must make the choice for herself, and even I don't know I would never have an abortion - after all I have never been put in that situation ((and hopefully never will))

I just think there's plenty of couples out there, that would love to have a baby. I see no reason for murder to take place. And why is it the womans chocice? what if, (not talking rape case) but what if the Father wanted the baby, he shld have just as much right to that child as the mother, I mean really she couldn't have had it by herself.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I just think there's plenty of couples out there, that would love to have a baby. I see no reason for murder to take place. And why is it the womans chocice? what if, (not talking rape case) but what if the Father wanted the baby, he shld have just as much right to that child as the mother, I mean really she couldn't have had it by herself.

The man wouldn't be the one sitting through dozens of hours of labor for a child he is giving up.

So, becuz he has no labor pains, all right shld be taken from him?

No, not all rights, he should have a say in the matter, but the ultimate descision IS the woman's.